Having defended Danny Cowley in the last few days our CEO has now issued a statement to defend the Eisners declaring, for the umpteenth time, their intention to take us back to the Championship and then ‘be able to compete for the Premier League'
Our CEO admits that there is no definitive method of comparing Pompey’s playing budget with other League One clubs.
In any case, to assess how competitive we are you need to be able to compare with your peers or competition. That creates a dilemma because for a realistic comparison you would need to find other clubs at this (lowly) level that have a billionaire owner, income from 13,000 season ticket holders with gates of around 18,000 and no debt. That’s impossible but a crude analysis, in my view, would put Sheffield Wed and Ipswich ahead of us but only on the assumption they are not carrying significant debt. Possibly Derby as well but that is a peculiar situation having just come out of administration.
He also says that in October, just two months ago, clubs get a benchmarking report which tells you your position although information about other clubs is not shared. If that’s the case why doesn’t reveal to supporters our precise position in order to kill off speculation recently highlighted by Sky Sports. It’s that simple.
Oops forget that...clearly doesn't like 'copy and paste'!
Having defended Danny Cowley in the last few days our CEO has now issued a statement to defend the Eisners declaring, for the umpteenth time, their intention to take us back to the Championship and then 'be able to compete for the Premier League.
Our CEO admits that there is no definitive method of comparing our playing budget with other League One clubs.
In any case, to assess how competitive we are you need to be able to compare with your peers or competition.
That creates a dilemma because for a realistic comparison you need to find other clubs at this (lowly) level that have a billionaire owner, income from 13,000 season tickholders, gates of around 18,00 and no debt. That's impossible but a crude analysis, in my view, would put Sheffield Wednesday and Ipswich ahead of us but only on the asumption that neither of them are carrying any significant debt. Possible Derby as well but that is a peculiar situation having just come out of adminstration.
He also says that in October, just two months ago, clubs get a benchmarking report which tells you your position although information about other clubs is not shared. If that' s the case why doesn't he reveal to supporters our precise position in order to kill off speculation recently highlighted by Sky Sports. It's that simple.
Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
So he’s basically saying Ipswich, Sheff Wed and Derby are above us financially. Does that mean we can compete with top end clubs in our league? It would be interesting to see how many first team loans those teams have. Credit must therefore be given to Argyle who are possibly less financially and less supported than us but top the league. So what’s the difference between us and them? Better tactics, better players , better manager or just down to team spirit. Maybe it’s not all about the money.
(23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
So spend big and then, if you get there, spend even bigger to stay there.
League 1 sounds more attractive every day. Waiting for it to happen naturally sounds ever more sensible. Shame it’s probably not going to happen this season.
This CEO is a useless puppet.
(23-12-2022, 02:05 PM)Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
Yes, Ipswich have gambled big this season bought by an American Hedge Fund I believe so it sounds like all or nothing!
Having said that they are regularly attracting 30K nearly twice as much as us.
Sheff Wed have also spent on their team but again large crowds & season ticket monies.
To get out of this dreadful mundane division you do need careful player investment though.
DC, assuming he's still here needs specific, realistic January transfer targets using the cup money generated.
Also, the Eisners need to at least match that amount which needs to be spent wisely on players capable of aiding promotion.
(23-12-2022, 03:43 PM)mikey393 Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 02:05 PM)Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
Yes, Ipswich have gambled big this season bought by an American Hedge Fund I believe so it sounds like all or nothing!
Having said that they are regularly attracting 30K nearly twice as much as us.
Sheff Wed have also spent on their team but again large crowds & season ticket monies.
To get out of this dreadful mundane division you do need careful player investment though.
DC, assuming he's still here needs specific, realistic January transfer targets using the cup money generated.
Also, the Eisners need to at least match that amount which needs to be spent wisely on players capable of aiding promotion.
And a manager capable of promotion...
(23-12-2022, 02:05 PM)Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
the worrying thing about that type of ownership is they often sell the ground.
We have owners who are steadily upgrading the ground and buying up further real estate. As and when they ultimatelly sell up we will have a club that is far better placed long term than ever in my life time at least.
(23-12-2022, 11:57 AM)blueandwight Wrote: [ -> ]Having defended Danny Cowley in the last few days our CEO has now issued a statement to defend the Eisners declaring, for the umpteenth time, their intention to take us back to the Championship and then 'be able to compete for the Premier League.
Our CEO admits that there is no definitive method of comparing our playing budget with other League One clubs.
In any case, to assess how competitive we are you need to be able to compare with your peers or competition.
That creates a dilemma because for a realistic comparison you need to find other clubs at this (lowly) level that have a billionaire owner, income from 13,000 season tickholders, gates of around 18,00 and no debt. That's impossible but a crude analysis, in my view, would put Sheffield Wednesday and Ipswich ahead of us but only on the asumption that neither of them are carrying any significant debt. Possible Derby as well but that is a peculiar situation having just come out of adminstration.
He also says that in October, just two months ago, clubs get a benchmarking report which tells you your position although information about other clubs is not shared. If that' s the case why doesn't he reveal to supporters our precise position in order to kill off speculation recently highlighted by Sky Sports. It's that simple.
Wednesday are definitely carrying a significant debt - they had the points deducted a couple of seasons ago and various transfer embargos. They’ve recruited again since but I doubt they’ll be able to do much more given their huge debt. Derby are limited to a wage cap but still keep on bringing in surprisingly big names like Hourihane. Both have got huge followings but it still doesn’t add up when they’ve both been in such huge debt.
The Eisners are here long, long term.
DC/NC is here long,long term.
The slow sustainable progress off (and on) the pitch will continue - there will be no deviation from " The plan"
Stop whinging, griping & squinnying.
Merry Christmas & Happy New/Year.
#PUP#
(23-12-2022, 06:42 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 02:05 PM)Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
the worrying thing about that type of ownership is they often sell the ground.
We have owners who are steadily upgrading the ground and buying up further real estate. As and when they ultimatelly sell up we will have a club that is far better placed long term than ever in my life time at least.
Ipswich fan in peace.
Just wanted to address these statements on our owners. We were a club in a lot of debt. Marcus Evans wrote off the entire debt when sold leaving us and the owners in a really good position. We've lucked out with them. They aren't a faceless American bunch, they are very communicative and open. They have spent loads on the ground and infrastructure and bought up real estate around the ground. They have a US team and Danish team and have put the communities first in all 3 and grown the clubs from bottom up. The money is a 13 billion dollar pension fund so they are not loose and fast with the cash but very well funded and not a quick buck scheme. Contrary to popular belief we have not thrown loads of cash at it. Ashton is an excellent negotiator and business guy. Well connected. We sold Dozzell, Downes etc for millions and spent less then we brought in. We can't overspend on wages but having gone from 16-17k gates to 26k average + new commercial deals we have more revenue to spend within the rules. We absolutely do not 'need' to go up but obviously it's the plan.
Pigott was one of the few financial mistakes in that quite high wages for the division and he wasn't going to play. Really want him to do well with you though - a good guy and a player in him.
Fyi Harness has been good. First game back from injury today. His first touch needs work at times, maybe why hasn't stepped up to champ. Dangerous player but in and out of games.
Good luck for the season after end of week.
(26-12-2022, 11:55 PM)Blueinpeace Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 06:42 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 02:05 PM)Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
the worrying thing about that type of ownership is they often sell the ground.
We have owners who are steadily upgrading the ground and buying up further real estate. As and when they ultimatelly sell up we will have a club that is far better placed long term than ever in my life time at least.
Ipswich fan in peace.
Just wanted to address these statements on our owners. We were a club in a lot of debt. Marcus Evans wrote off the entire debt when sold leaving us and the owners in a really good position. We've lucked out with them. They aren't a faceless American bunch, they are very communicative and open. They have spent loads on the ground and infrastructure and bought up real estate around the ground. They have a US team and Danish team and have put the communities first in all 3 and grown the clubs from bottom up. The money is a 13 billion dollar pension fund so they are not loose and fast with the cash but very well funded and not a quick buck scheme. Contrary to popular belief we have not thrown loads of cash at it. Ashton is an excellent negotiator and business guy. Well connected. We sold Dozzell, Downes etc for millions and spent less then we brought in. We can't overspend on wages but having gone from 16-17k gates to 26k average + new commercial deals we have more revenue to spend within the rules. We absolutely do not 'need' to go up but obviously it's the plan.
Pigott was one of the few financial mistakes in that quite high wages for the division and he wasn't going to play. Really want him to do well with you though - a good guy and a player in him.
Fyi Harness has been good. First game back from injury today. His first touch needs work at times, maybe why hasn't stepped up to champ. Dangerous player but in and out of games.
Good luck for the season after end of week.
Want to swap owners.......?
(26-12-2022, 11:55 PM)Blueinpeace Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 06:42 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 02:05 PM)Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (23-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]Ipswich were struggling financially, not sure if they have found a way out of that.
Ipswich have learnt zilch from their last meltdown. They were bought by an investment group and would be mightily fecked if they hadn't bought promotion this season. These sort of investors don't hang around for long and will soon start squinnying about the huge amounts of cash needed for the championship.
Plymouth's owners have spent big on the ground and are hardly doing it on the scrounge either.
Fact is, unless you're willing to go for it be prepared for a long time in League 1.
the worrying thing about that type of ownership is they often sell the ground.
We have owners who are steadily upgrading the ground and buying up further real estate. As and when they ultimatelly sell up we will have a club that is far better placed long term than ever in my life time at least.
Ipswich fan in peace.
Just wanted to address these statements on our owners. We were a club in a lot of debt. Marcus Evans wrote off the entire debt when sold leaving us and the owners in a really good position. We've lucked out with them. They aren't a faceless American bunch, they are very communicative and open. They have spent loads on the ground and infrastructure and bought up real estate around the ground. They have a US team and Danish team and have put the communities first in all 3 and grown the clubs from bottom up. The money is a 13 billion dollar pension fund so they are not loose and fast with the cash but very well funded and not a quick buck scheme. Contrary to popular belief we have not thrown loads of cash at it. Ashton is an excellent negotiator and business guy. Well connected. We sold Dozzell, Downes etc for millions and spent less then we brought in. We can't overspend on wages but having gone from 16-17k gates to 26k average + new commercial deals we have more revenue to spend within the rules. We absolutely do not 'need' to go up but obviously it's the plan.
Pigott was one of the few financial mistakes in that quite high wages for the division and he wasn't going to play. Really want him to do well with you though - a good guy and a player in him.
Fyi Harness has been good. First game back from injury today. His first touch needs work at times, maybe why hasn't stepped up to champ. Dangerous player but in and out of games.
Good luck for the season after end of week.
Thanks for laying down the facts. It seems that your owners are very solid & going about things the right way building up the club from the bottom. Sounds like Ashton is right on the money with transfers etc; Pigott, hasn't really had a decent run of games with us so difficult to judge fully. Harness was scoring frequently for you until injured as is a very good player at this level agreed.
Same for you as it looks like yourselves & Plymouth for the autos with Pompey trying to make the Play Offs.
they sound to be doing a very similar plan.
Spent on the ground and buying up land/infrastructure around the ground.
But our owners had an older more decrepit ground to start with so it will likely take a bit longer
(27-12-2022, 11:18 AM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]they sound to be doing a very similar plan.
Spent on the ground and buying up land/infrastructure around the ground.
But our owners had an older more decrepit ground to start with so it will likely take a bit longer
Indeed. Although our stadium was creeking. They punch a hole in one end so that they can bring vehicles in. Put big screen in and new sound system with state of the art pitch going in for next season.
I like Pompey, it's a a bit odd there is suddenly a bit of rivalry now (a bit cook linked and the Jacobs thing). We are both two clubs that got shafted financially and have fallen but look on the way up.
Even though he has said some things on us, looking in from outside I like Cowley. You've had a horrible run but I think he's a really intelligent football guy. His downfall may be style of play (a bit like when we had Mick McCarthy). The squad you have put together without shelling out a fortune is really good.
Do you guys see us coming to an agreement to cut Pigott loan short? Or would you like to see him play more? I'd like to see you guys up with us, maybe with Plymouth. Be surprised if Wed don't make autos.
The Cowley brothers are anything but intelligent.
(27-12-2022, 01:33 PM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ]The Cowley brothers are anything but intelligent.
You come across as a sub 70 IQ type geezer, so wouldn't recognise intelligence even if it smacked you in the mouth.
The Cowleys are here long, long term, get used to it & support them & the team !!
Blueinpeace. I’d like to see Pigott returned to you. He’s a waste of our wage bill.
Can we have one of your good players instead (not Harness!)
hard to tell if pigott could be of use, he's hardly had two games on the bounce to find any sort of rhythm.
I'd say we are now hoping for a play off slot, nowhere near top 2.
(27-12-2022, 04:38 PM)exterminator Wrote: [ -> ] (27-12-2022, 01:33 PM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ]The Cowley brothers are anything but intelligent.
You come across as a sub 70 IQ type geezer, so wouldn't recognise intelligence even if it smacked you in the mouth.
The Cowleys are here long, long term, get used to it & support them & the team !!
I’m certainly not recognising it in you.
Whether they are here for the long term or not doesn’t make them intelligent.
They’ve had my support but they, like you, are morons.
(27-12-2022, 05:05 PM)Hammie Wrote: [ -> ]hard to tell if pigott could be of use, he's hardly had two games on the bounce to find any sort of rhythm.
I'd say we are now hoping for a play off slot, nowhere near top 2.
If we win our games in hand….