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Very much reminds me of our own Sean Raggett. Has all the attributes to be fantastic but you just never know when the next clanger is going to happen.

Good player. Admire Southgate for sticking by him.
Should have gone to West Ham though.

(12-09-2023, 11:47 PM)Tomsk Wrote: [ -> ]Good player. Admire Southgate for sticking by him.
Should have gone to West Ham though.

Southgate plays "International Jackettball". It's where, in way of its inventor, Kenny Jackett, you try to score in the first 30 minutes of the game. Then, regardless of whether you are dominating the game, you subsequently and inexplicably sit back and pass the ball along the back until everybody (including the opposition) falls asleep. In theory, this gives you a chance to sneak an extra one later on.

Additionally, playing out from the back should be banned and any manager that chooses to play such a way should get a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. Bad enough League 1 players trying to do something they quite obviously can't do, but watching England fecking about in the second half, inviting pressure when they were doing perfectly okay without it was so annoying. It always ends up with either a long punt anyway upfield or the commentator saying they did really well to beat the press when they didn't have to do that in the first place! The guy who made that up must be a comedian.

Anyway, who's waiting for another QF/SF tournament defeat against the first decent team we actually come across?

(12-09-2023, 11:47 PM)Tomsk Wrote: [ -> ]Good player. Admire Southgate for sticking by him.
Should have gone to West Ham though.

Spot on. Provides excellent offensive qualities as well as being reliable at the back. Yes, he scored an own goal. I remember Jack Whatmough scoring two in three games a few seasons ago and then he helped Wigan to promotion. 

But I agree with you also about that move. The window's closed now and he's just put himself and Southgate under further scutiny. The scrutiny is justified, the vitriol, isn't.

Sometimes wonder why anyone bothers. They are millionaires and can easily walk away from England and all the stick that entails.

Messi did that for a couple of years.

Hi s continued inclusion probably says more about the quality of CB's waiting for an opportunity. Southgate was a quality CB so it's a role he should understand the best.

The trouble is, Southgate has made a rod for his own back now, Maquire can play like a donkey but is now a certainty for every England squad, even though he will hardly kick a ball for Man Utd.
All this nicey nicey, we're all pals act from the "group" is all a load of bollocks.
This reminds me of Sven and Beckham.

This is safespacing. It will backfire, if it has not already done so. Fringe players and prospects will interpret the setup as a boys club. It will cost Southgate his role. Maybe it should? A new reboot is probably due. This group are now in decline, Bellingham aside. They were so very close.

Can't see Southgate ever winning anything but persisting with a player not playing regularly and loosing the opportunity to give valuable international minutes to those who are is the action of a fool or egotist. Felt sorry for Maguire who faced constant ridicule throughout the match which won't have done anything for the confidence of a honest professional.

This is the beginning the end for Southgate. Does more harm than good to be overloyal to a player not getting minutes for his club. Maguire's position in the squad is untenable if he isn't starting for his club. Any other manager would have been straight on the phone to him after turning down West Ham and telling him his international career is on ice until he is playing regularly, not picking him regardless because he feels sorry for him getting pelters from the fans and the press. That's the post 98 brown bag on his head in the Pizza Hut adverts talking. Sentimental, far too sentimental

Does seem that way. In the beginning he made a big thing of saying there are no favourites, and players need to be playing to be picked. But in trying to keep his club-side ethos alive it is beginning to crack - what do you do when players playing well for England aren't playing for their clubs? they have to be stood down. Maguire and Henderson's time is over. Kalvin Phillips should be parked until he can maintain a start at Citeh, or move to a club where he's a guaranteed starter. Bellingham and Rice are the mid two for the next two world cups at least and the time has come for Tomori/Colwill to settle in. Even club sides evolve - it just needs to be done.