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RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - simonfkwit - 29-06-2024
Likewise relying on largely loans and frees didn't do us much harm last time we got out of this league the right way.
Ultimately it's the wages that determine the quality of player rather than if they're a free agent or not.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - wjd - 29-06-2024
Ref earlier responses . I understand that loan players contributed a great deal last season but equally, the strategy is hurting us this season as we search for replacements for people like Kamara, etc. Also, I understood the Eisner strategy was to bring in young promising players, develop them and add to their value for OUR benefit. Instead, we develop other teams players so that they secure the financial benefit. Loans have a part to play but we need to have our own players. I can see us looking at further loans for Robertson and Anjorin next and good as they may be, if we go down that route, we look only at the short term which seems at odds with all the Eisner family preach. I still say we need a stronger base of permanent signings.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - Northstandgeorge - 29-06-2024
(29-06-2024, 09:06 AM)wjd Wrote: Ref earlier responses . I understand that loan players contributed a great deal last season but equally, the strategy is hurting us this season as we search for replacements for people like Kamara, etc. Also, I understood the Eisner strategy was to bring in young promising players, develop them and add to their value for OUR benefit. Instead, we develop other teams players so that they secure the financial benefit. Loans have a part to play but we need to have our own players. I can see us looking at further loans for Robertson and Anjorin next and good as they may be, if we go down that route, we look only at the short term which seems at odds with all the Eisner family preach. I still say we need a stronger base of permanent signings.
Agree with that, hopefully there are quality permanent signings to come in. In January we signed Moxon, McIntyre and Lang presumably with the Championship in mind. I think there maybe a few going out as well as we have about 5 wingers on the books if we sign Silvera.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - simonfkwit - 29-06-2024
Young, promising players.
Like Williams and Swann then.
We've signed 4 players....2 of them fit the remit that you're suggesting we're not following.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - bluetagagain - 29-06-2024
(29-06-2024, 09:06 AM)wjd Wrote: Ref earlier responses . I understand that loan players contributed a great deal last season but equally, the strategy is hurting us this season as we search for replacements for people like Kamara, etc. Also, I understood the Eisner strategy was to bring in young promising players, develop them and add to their value for OUR benefit. Instead, we develop other teams players so that they secure the financial benefit. Loans have a part to play but we need to have our own players. I can see us looking at further loans for Robertson and Anjorin next and good as they may be, if we go down that route, we look only at the short term which seems at odds with all the Eisner family preach. I still say we need a stronger base of permanent signings.
Do you mean getting a loan player to replace Kamara who was also a loan? . Those posters suggesting we need to spend , you do realise a free isn’t really a free, they still command a wage - in some cases more than what they maybe would've earned if a transfer fee was involved.
Just for arguments sake say PFC have a transfer kitty of £15m for this season, wages have to come out of that and say £7.5K a week for a freebie ( which is nowhere near a top championship salary) is approx 400k a year and that’s for only one average player.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - Northstandgeorge - 29-06-2024
(29-06-2024, 11:20 AM)bluetagagain Wrote:(29-06-2024, 09:06 AM)wjd Wrote: Ref earlier responses . I understand that loan players contributed a great deal last season but equally, the strategy is hurting us this season as we search for replacements for people like Kamara, etc. Also, I understood the Eisner strategy was to bring in young promising players, develop them and add to their value for OUR benefit. Instead, we develop other teams players so that they secure the financial benefit. Loans have a part to play but we need to have our own players. I can see us looking at further loans for Robertson and Anjorin next and good as they may be, if we go down that route, we look only at the short term which seems at odds with all the Eisner family preach. I still say we need a stronger base of permanent signings.
Do you mean getting a loan player to replace Kamara who was also a loan? . Those posters suggesting we need to spend , you do realise a free isn’t really a free, they still command a wage - in some cases more than what they maybe would've earned if a transfer fee was involved.
Just for arguments sake say PFC have a transfer kitty of £15m for this season, wages have to come out of that and say £7.5K a week for a freebie ( which is nowhere near a top championship salary) is approx 400k a year and that’s for only one average player.
Ive no idea what the transfer kitty is but im pretty sure the revenue from Sky is north of £12m the stadium is sold out. We have billionaire owners. If we are not in a position to spend
to sign players permantly now we never will. Having said that im pretty confident we will sign players it makes no sense to have spent all those years in div 1 and 2 to go straight back down. If only to protect The Eisners investment.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - BilltheCat - 01-07-2024
Signed on-loan for the season.
https://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/01/silvera-signs-on-loan/
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - Hammie - 01-07-2024
anyone know definitely how many other clubs are receiving prem parachute payments this season? in the champ
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - simonfkwit - 01-07-2024
From the Sheff Weds forum...
£44.4m Burnley
£44.4m Sheff Utd
£44.4m Luton Town
£35.5m Leeds
£16.5m Norwich
£16.5m Watford
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - mikey393 - 01-07-2024
(01-07-2024, 07:13 PM)Hammie Wrote: anyone know definitely how many other clubs are receiving prem parachute payments this season? in the champ
Surely, it's just the 3 relegated clubs Burnley, Sheff Utd, Luton?
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - simonfkwit - 01-07-2024
They're for 2 or 3 years depending on how many years you've in there.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - DeepBlue - 02-07-2024
(29-06-2024, 09:06 AM)wjd Wrote: Ref earlier responses . I understand that loan players contributed a great deal last season but equally, the strategy is hurting us this season as we search for replacements for people like Kamara, etc. Also, I understood the Eisner strategy was to bring in young promising players, develop them and add to their value for OUR benefit. Instead, we develop other teams players so that they secure the financial benefit. Loans have a part to play but we need to have our own players. I can see us looking at further loans for Robertson and Anjorin next and good as they may be, if we go down that route, we look only at the short term which seems at odds with all the Eisner family preach. I still say we need a stronger base of permanent signings.
What is the difference between signing, say, Robertson 'permanently' for two years, him playing out his contract and then moving on for nothing and signing him for two consecutive seasons on loan ?
The only difference I can see is we would be paying all of his wages instead of only part of them.
If loans have a part to play, which you seem to agree with, then you want to make them the best possible loans you can get and we largely did that last season and won the league with them.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - simonfkwit - 02-07-2024
Exactly that. Never quiet understood the term "permanent deal".
It's a contract. So is a loan.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - Hermann's_no_hermit - 02-07-2024
Just a thought on Silvera - Middlesbrough who are in the same Division as us don't rate him highly enough to be in their first team plans or else why would they send a player out on loan who played most of last season for them. Why do we then feel he is good enough for us?
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - West Australian Portsmouth Fan - 03-07-2024
(02-07-2024, 08:57 PM)Hermann's_no_hermit Wrote: Just a thought on Silvera - Middlesbrough who are in the same Division as us don't rate him highly enough to be in their first team plans or else why would they send a player out on loan who played most of last season for them. Why do we then feel he is good enough for us?Maybe because our goal is avoiding relegation and theirs is promotion
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - TBP - 03-07-2024
(03-07-2024, 12:13 AM)West Australian Portsmouth Fan Wrote:(02-07-2024, 08:57 PM)Hermann's_no_hermit Wrote: Just a thought on Silvera - Middlesbrough who are in the same Division as us don't rate him highly enough to be in their first team plans or else why would they send a player out on loan who played most of last season for them. Why do we then feel he is good enough for us?Maybe because our goal is avoiding relegation and theirs is promotion
I wondered that myself, but your answer is a reasonable one.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - BilltheCat - 03-07-2024
I understood that the Smoggies have brought in another player and that Silvera had slipped down the pecking order.
Nevertheless, his record last season - from mostly substitute appearances - is still pretty impressive.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - teeftwo - 03-07-2024
Strikes me he's a squad player, not an automatic starter and as such better than anything we had in that regard. So I don't think it says anything about whether or not the club is planning to just avoid relegation.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - TiHKAL - 03-07-2024
(03-07-2024, 07:23 AM)BilltheCat Wrote: I understood that the Smoggies have brought in another player and that Silvera had slipped down the pecking order.
Nevertheless, his record last season - from mostly substitute appearances - is still pretty impressive.
My Smoggie mate - 'Wouldn't be 1st 11 this season. Thought he'd have another season on the bench, so a loan is good for him (and you lot?). Not a bad player.'
I'll take that.
RE: Sammy Silvera on loan from Boro - slayer - 03-07-2024
So this lad with his porn star name and his porn star hair - what does he bring? In Hughes we trust, PUP