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Fewer than 18,000 - TBP - 18-01-2022

The Office for National Statistics has finally come clean, in response to a FoI request, that fewer than 18,000 died of Covid, to end Q3 21, rather than the 150,000, with Covid, as bandied about by the media. Not too dissimilar to normal flu, then.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - brian bromley - 18-01-2022

You are not taking into account the effects of lockdowns, vaccines and social distancing.

How many would have died without them? Impossible to know how many but for certain it would have been a lot worse.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - DeepBlue - 18-01-2022

(18-01-2022, 02:35 PM)TBP Wrote: The Office for National Statistics has finally come clean, in response to a FoI request, that fewer than 18,000 died of Covid, to end Q3 21, rather than the 150,000, with Covid, as bandied about by the media. Not too dissimilar to normal flu, then.

And your source for this claim is where ?  A quick look on the ONS site shows nothing of the kind. 

Have you been taking Exgaffer's blog as a news source ?


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - Cressers - 18-01-2022

Here we go again...

Even if COVID was 'only' a comorbidity, the chances are that many of the 152,000 UK dead so far would still be alive had they not contracted it.

Perhaps you'd be better off running head first at high speed into a brick wall until you've knocked this covtard nonsense out of your head.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - bluetagagain - 18-01-2022

Must admit , someone told me this earlier today but I can’t find a link.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - DeepBlue - 18-01-2022

(18-01-2022, 03:38 PM)bluetagagain Wrote: Must admit , someone told me this earlier today but I can’t find a link.

So it's bollocks.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - bluetagagain - 18-01-2022

Looks like it


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - DeepBlue - 18-01-2022

(18-01-2022, 03:54 PM)bluetagagain Wrote: Looks like it

The more telling statistic is the number above the normal mortality rate that have died since Feb 2020, and throughout the pandemic that has been slightly under but very close to the Covid death count.  And that takes into account all the Covid deaths and the people who did not get treatment for other things because the hospitals were full of Covid patients so is the true damage done irrespective of the 'of covid' or 'with covid' debate.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 18-01-2022

Here is some data.

Since March 2020 only 4,597 people have died in NHS hospitals within 28 days of a positive covid test and with no other pre-existing conditions.
Some of these died from other causes.
3542 of the 4,597 were over 60 yrs old.
1635 were over 80.
Obesity is not listed as a condition.

NHS.net data
https://twitter.com/McGiff/status/1480972718401011712/photo/1

In 2 years in England 8953 under 60 have died within 28 days of a positive test with or with out a pre-existing conditions.

And we stopped the lives' of the young for this!.

NO 16th
NO 18th
NO 21st
People dying on their own
Marriages out the window
Cancer treatment stopped
Suicide
Children mentally damaged with mask wearing & not trying to kill granny.
Lost jobs


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - dsmg - 18-01-2022

Essential, are you British?


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 18-01-2022

Deaths from COVID-19 with no other underlying causes
Release date:
16 December 2021
FOI Ref: ​FOI/2021/3240

You asked
​​Please can you advise on deaths purely from covid with no other underlying causes.

We said
Thank you for your request.

We are responsible for the production of mortality data for England and Wales, this is derived from death certificates in the process of death registration.

For mortality figures where COVID-19 was the sole cause of death, please see: Pre-existing conditions of people whose death was recorded with an underlying cause of COVID-19, this dataset can be found in section 8 of the Monthly mortality analysis bulletin. This dataset provides a greater insight into the leading pre-existing cause of death groups, for deaths occurring in England and Wales, in 2020 and the first two quarters of 2021 that were due to COVID-19.

Please see 'table 1a, row 28' (2020) and 'table 1, row 29 (2021)' for deaths where COVID-19 was listed as the underlying cause, but had no other pre-existing conditions recorded on the death certificate, England and Wales. Table 1b represents these figures for England and table 1c figures are for Wales.

This publication will be updated quarterly. COVID-19 deaths involving pre-existing conditions is split by broad age groups between 1-64 and 65+.

Please see below for death registrations for 2020 and 2021 (provisional) that were due to COVID-19 and were recorded without any pre-existing conditions, England and Wales.

2020: 9400 (0-64: 1549 / 65 and over: 7851)

2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)

2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)

2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)

If you would like to discuss this query further, please contact health.data@ons.gov.uk.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=08


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - exgaffer - 18-01-2022

(18-01-2022, 03:28 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:
(18-01-2022, 02:35 PM)TBP Wrote: The Office for National Statistics has finally come clean, in response to a FoI request, that fewer than 18,000 died of Covid, to end Q3 21, rather than the 150,000, with Covid, as bandied about by the media. Not too dissimilar to normal flu, then.

And your source for this claim is where ?  A quick look on the ONS site shows nothing of the kind. 

Have you been taking Exgaffer's blog as a news source ?

You want so desperately to believe the doom merchants don’t you Deep?  Smile  I guess it must be hard coming to the conclusion that you were a victim of Project Fear and a useful idiot pushing their propaganda.

The figures are from the ONS, if you can be arsed to look up the tables. It is telling that you actually have to look, they are not keen on admitting the truth.

The number of people who died OF COVID is around 17% of the total trumpeted by the politicians and media, all of whom seem to have degrees in Marxist thought control ffs.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 18-01-2022

The convid narrative wall has so many holes in it now . It is not going to take much longer to come falling down (like a Octopus trying to block a dam).

Consensus will change very fast.

Some of you will try keeping hold of it, refusing to admit you got conned, but the overwhelming evidence will be irrefutable.Wink


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - Cressers - 18-01-2022

You've posted that before. Probably a copy and paste from a menu of responses. If the narrative comes 'crashing down' will we see the 152,000 dead returning to life?


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - exgaffer - 18-01-2022

(18-01-2022, 05:57 PM)Cressers Wrote: You've posted that before. Probably a copy and paste from a menu of responses. If the narrative comes 'crashing down' will we see the 152,000 dead returning 

The average age of death from COVID is more than 82 Cressers, higher than life expectancy, a bit of perspective wouldn’t go amiss. I’ve posted that before but it doesn’t seem to have sunk in.

What are you going to say about the thousands who die of cancer, heart disease, diabetic complications and all the rest who were not treated due to this COVID obsession? Not to mention suicides due to life chances being denied and education trashed and National Debt that the youth will need to repay over the coming decades.

Australia is now learning the hard way that you can’t keep a virus out, you have to find ways of living with  it ffs.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 18-01-2022

8953 people have died within 28 days of a positive covid test with or without a pre-existing conditions under 60 in 2 years!, the rest of the 92730 were over 60. if you have lived to 60 you have had a good innings, and to ask the young not to experience what you did is selfish.

life doesn't go on forever enjoy every day.


NO 16th
NO 18th
NO 21st
People dying on their own
Marriages out the window
Cancer treatment stopped
Suicide
Children mentally damaged with mask wearing & not trying to kill granny.
Lost jobs
Explosion of the National Debt!


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - Tufnell_Chimes - 18-01-2022

"if you have lived to 60 you have had a good innings"

Remembering your "pure blood" quote sort of puts this into context. The state will work you till you're no longer fast enough, strong enough, look good enough. Then its solyent green for you.
Nice vision of your future there, EssIx

...btw, my daughter had her 18th back in September. All her friends came over (as was allowed) and we went and stayed the night at a fabulous hotel. Everyone had a great time.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 18-01-2022

(18-01-2022, 07:03 PM)Tufnell_Chimes Wrote: "if you have lived to 60 you have had a good innings"

Remembering your "pure blood" quote sort of puts this into context. The state will work you till you're no longer fast enough, strong enough, look good enough. Then its solyent green for you.
Nice vision of your future there, EssIx

...btw, my daughter had her 18th back in September. All her friends came over (as was allowed) and we went and stayed the night at a fabulous hotel. Everyone had a great time.

"if you have lived to 60 you have had a good innings" 

You have, I didn't say kill everyone when they get to 60! Death is looking for you and your time is coming to a close. Always been that way.

"pure blood"
Meant unjabbed


my daughter had her 18th back in September. All her friends came over (as was allowed) and we went and stayed the night at a fabulous hotel

Lucky your daughter, in the last 2 year so many have not had that same chance.

Anyway STOP going away from the data!!!


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - Tufnell_Chimes - 18-01-2022

My son also had his 21st and my brother got married (after the third attempt, but it was his third marriage so it had a bit of symmetry to it) with a proper service and reception. My mum's cancer treatment wasn't stopped - I took over to QA about three weeks ago (lovely view that morning from the top of Portsdown Hill) and no-one I know died alone, no-one I know committed suicide and no-one I know was mentally damaged for having to wear a mask. Ok, so one personal experience isn't data, but I've been way more affected by Brexit than Covid. And that shit's going to be around for a while yet.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - bluetagagain - 18-01-2022

The figures are from the ONS, if you can be arsed to look up the tables. It is telling that you actually have to look, they are not keen on admitting the truth.

No they’re not , there is no article or proof anywhere that says the OP.
Even Snopes doesn’t carry anything on it


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 19-01-2022

Paul Joseph Watson (The legend)

Giving It to the submissive, soy boy, cuck, gimps once again. LMAO

https://youtu.be/rZ0O6PpqABA

Some of you backed the wrong horse.


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - 66zoolane - 19-01-2022

Anybody else read the thread but fast-forward over the essential bits?


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 19-01-2022

(19-01-2022, 09:13 PM)66zoolane Wrote: Anybody else read the thread but fast-forward over the non-essential bits?

You have to miss my bit's out so you don't see the TRUTH.Wink


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - 66zoolane - 19-01-2022

(19-01-2022, 09:19 PM)essentialmix75 Wrote:
(19-01-2022, 09:13 PM)66zoolane Wrote: Anybody else read the thread but fast-forward over the non-essential bits?

You have to miss my bit's out so you don't see the TRUTH.Wink

The TRUTH is...nobody wants to see your bits  Sad

oooer missus?


RE: Fewer than 18,000 - essentialmix75 - 19-01-2022

(19-01-2022, 09:22 PM)66zoolane Wrote:
(19-01-2022, 09:19 PM)essentialmix75 Wrote:
(19-01-2022, 09:13 PM)66zoolane Wrote: Anybody else read the thread but fast-forward over the non-essential bits?

You have to miss my bit's out so you don't see the TRUTH.Wink

The TRUTH is...nobody wants to see your bits  Sad

oooer missus?

Most people don’t really want the truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth, because of their ego.