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Striker Coach ... - exterminator - 01-02-2021
KJ has revealed that - Gifton Noel-Williams has been working with our forwards a couple of days a week since the beginning of the season.
I seemed to remember he wasnt prolific, but see that GNW own strike rate was around 1 in 5 - is it any wonder that Harrison can't hit a "cows backside with a banjo"
What is wrong with using someone local and a respected coach like Guy Whittingham who actually knew where the back of the net was - seems all KJ wants to employ is ex-Watford players who are used to the sort of hoofball as was played at Watford snd Stoke when GNW was a player.
RE: Striker Coach ... - stayinupforever - 01-02-2021
Got a better idea..shoot on sight. If you are within 20 yards of the goal with clear sight of it SHOOT.
RE: Striker Coach ... - ForeverPompey - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 10:07 AM)stayinupforever Wrote: Got a better idea..shoot on sight. If you are within 20 yards of the goal with clear sight of it SHOOT.
Absolutely. Shoot and don't be afraid to miss a few to score a few. Worked for Naylor for a while so surely our striker(s) can try it?
RE: Striker Coach ... - bluebollox - 01-02-2021
Just wait n see how it pans out I guess. But GNW was a big mobile lump in his day, sums up Kenny's overall style a bit doesn't it.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Northstandgeorge - 01-02-2021
In Jacketts defense great players dont necessarily make great coaches. None off Wenger, Jose, Alex Ferguson or Klopp had particularly stellar playing careers. All are or have been absolute top drawer coaches. Also only 3 teams have scored more goals than us in the division so we are doing something right. As for the suggestion to get Guy in coaching ,the reality is apart from his spell here the only coaching he has done in the football league is a short spell with Crawley about 8 years ago.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Wightblue - 01-02-2021
Didn’t ‘Arry’ employ an ex striker (or two different ex strikers) to work with The Yak and Benjani as both were not performing to their potential, Yak was being caught offside too often and Benjani was a ‘nearly man’ (nearly scoring but didn’t).
I don’t know who worked the minor miracle on both but they certainly increased their firepower, I seem to remember that Yak was told to use curving runs instead of straight line to avoid the offside trap and Benjani was shown how to take better positions in the box and to work on his first 2 or 3 yds.
Somebody on this Board with a better memory than I can probably remember which ex striker(s) did the job and what they actually did, one thing is for sure, whoever they were and whatever they did, it worked!
Interesting discussion on Quest EFL show regarding Doncaster and why they have so many Prem loan players, general view was that some of the top clubs (eg Arsenal) believe that Moore is a very good development Manager and are happy that their loan players will get the right coaching and return much better players.
We have just White from Spurs I believe.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Wightblue - 01-02-2021
Sorry, I forgot to say that I agree with Exterminator regarding Whittingham, whenever I hear him talking about the strikers art and/or commenting on the Pompey strikers shortcomings, I always wonder why he hasn’t been asked to help out with Marquis and Harrison (no point in bothering with Hiwula as Kenny boy clearly has no intention of playing him).
RE: Striker Coach ... - stayinupforever - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 12:31 PM)Wightblue Wrote: Didn’t ‘Arry’ employ an ex striker (or two different ex strikers) to work with The Yak and Benjani as both were not performing to their potential, Yak was being caught offside too often and Benjani was a ‘nearly man’ (nearly scoring but didn’t).
I don’t know who worked the minor miracle on both but they certainly increased their firepower, I seem to remember that Yak was told to use curving runs instead of straight line to avoid the offside trap and Benjani was shown how to take better positions in the box and to work on his first 2 or 3 yds.
Somebody on this Board with a better memory than I can probably remember which ex striker(s) did the job and what they actually did, one thing is for sure, whoever they were and whatever they did, it worked!
Interesting discussion on Quest EFL show regarding Doncaster and why they have so many Prem loan players, general view was that some of the top clubs (eg Arsenal) believe that Moore is a very good development Manager and are happy that their loan players will get the right coaching and return much better players.
We have just White from Spurs I believe.
Ironically it was former Watford striker Luther Blisset!!
RE: Striker Coach ... - slayer - 01-02-2021
More fucking dithering from Jackett
Cannot wait until the new broom sweeps clean
RE: Striker Coach ... - DeepBlue - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 10:02 AM)exterminator Wrote: KJ has revealed that - Gifton Noel-Williams has been working with our forwards a couple of days a week since the beginning of the season.
I seemed to remember he wasnt prolific, but see that GNW own strike rate was around 1 in 5 - is it any wonder that Harrison can't hit a "cows backside with a banjo"
What is wrong with using someone local and a respected coach like Guy Whittingham who actually knew where the back of the net was - seems all KJ wants to employ is ex-Watford players who are used to the sort of hoofball as was played at Watford snd Stoke when GNW was a player.
We have one of the top scorers in the league and are amongst the top scorers as a team so perhaps his coaching is working well ?
RE: Striker Coach ... - bluebollox - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 03:46 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(01-02-2021, 10:02 AM)exterminator Wrote: KJ has revealed that - Gifton Noel-Williams has been working with our forwards a couple of days a week since the beginning of the season.
I seemed to remember he wasnt prolific, but see that GNW own strike rate was around 1 in 5 - is it any wonder that Harrison can't hit a "cows backside with a banjo"
What is wrong with using someone local and a respected coach like Guy Whittingham who actually knew where the back of the net was - seems all KJ wants to employ is ex-Watford players who are used to the sort of hoofball as was played at Watford snd Stoke when GNW was a player.
We have one of the top scorers in the league and are amongst the top scorers as a team so perhaps his coaching is working well ?
Only just been brought in Deep, coincides with us not scoring for the last 2 games....
Or you are correct about having one of the top scorers & being amongst the top scorers..so why bring him in??
RE: Striker Coach ... - DeepBlue - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 05:18 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(01-02-2021, 03:46 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(01-02-2021, 10:02 AM)exterminator Wrote: KJ has revealed that - Gifton Noel-Williams has been working with our forwards a couple of days a week since the beginning of the season.
I seemed to remember he wasnt prolific, but see that GNW own strike rate was around 1 in 5 - is it any wonder that Harrison can't hit a "cows backside with a banjo"
What is wrong with using someone local and a respected coach like Guy Whittingham who actually knew where the back of the net was - seems all KJ wants to employ is ex-Watford players who are used to the sort of hoofball as was played at Watford snd Stoke when GNW was a player.
We have one of the top scorers in the league and are amongst the top scorers as a team so perhaps his coaching is working well ?
Only just been brought in Deep, coincides with us not scoring for the last 2 games....
Or you are correct about having one of the top scorers & being amongst the top scorers..so why bring him in??
Not so.
He has been coming in since the beginning of the season.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Wightblue - 01-02-2021
Marquis had a decent goal scoring record in his 3 year spell with Doncaster (which is presumably why Jackett paid a £1+ Million for him), in reality, with or without the input of GNW, his record with us is not substantially different to his spell with Donny.
Harrison on the other hand was never a prolific scorer with Bristol Rovers but Ipswich must have seen potential enough to pay £750K for him, for whatever reason, he didn’t score regularly for them and Ipswich took a loss and sold him to Pompey for £405K. He hasn’t been putting the ball in the net regularly for us either (2 L1 goals this season so far).
Methinks that GNW needs to work his particular brand of magic (whatever it may be) on Harrison to enable Ellis to get scoring regularly because, should Marquis lose form (!) or miss a few games in the second half of the season, Harrison becomes Pompey’s main striker, I don’t see that working out well.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Hammie - 01-02-2021
Harrison rarely starts regularly which usually prevent regular scoring. whitts does quite a lot of coaching around the county, so I do think he has something to offer.
as regards shooting from range, we did that for a while and had laughable shots stats with no goals on most occasions.
Top poachers score from inside the 6 yard box almost all the time.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Pedalo_menders - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 05:39 PM)Hammie Wrote: Harrison rarely starts regularly which usually prevent regular scoring. whitts does quite a lot of coaching around the county, so I do think he has something to offer.
as regards shooting from range, we did that for a while and had laughable shots stats with no goals on most occasions.
Top poachers score from inside the 6 yard box almost all the time.
Harrison scored a top poachers goal in the playoffs last season
RE: Striker Coach ... - exterminator - 01-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 12:20 PM)Northstandgeorge Wrote: In Jacketts defense great players dont necessarily make great coaches. None off Wenger, Jose, Alex Ferguson or Klopp had particularly stellar playing careers. All are or have been absolute top drawer coaches. Also only 3 teams have scored more goals than us in the division so we are doing something right. As for the suggestion to get Guy in coaching ,the reality is apart from his spell here the only coaching he has done in the football league is a short spell with Crawley about 8 years ago.
NSG those names you mention are "managers of the team" NOT specialist position coaches, in relation to position coaches you need "someone who the players can recognise has done the business in the role they are coaching".
Sorry moosh GNW for all his coaching abilities was never a prolific striker, Guy Whittingham was and has all the coaching badges and more than GNW has.
RE: Striker Coach ... - DeepBlue - 02-02-2021
(01-02-2021, 09:37 PM)exterminator Wrote:(01-02-2021, 12:20 PM)Northstandgeorge Wrote: In Jacketts defense great players dont necessarily make great coaches. None off Wenger, Jose, Alex Ferguson or Klopp had particularly stellar playing careers. All are or have been absolute top drawer coaches. Also only 3 teams have scored more goals than us in the division so we are doing something right. As for the suggestion to get Guy in coaching ,the reality is apart from his spell here the only coaching he has done in the football league is a short spell with Crawley about 8 years ago.
NSG those names you mention are "managers of the team" NOT specialist position coaches, in relation to position coaches you need "someone who the players can recognise has done the business in the role they are coaching".
Sorry moosh GNW for all his coaching abilities was never a prolific striker, Guy Whittingham was and has all the coaching badges and more than GNW has.
There is an argument that ex-defenders or ex-goalkeepers make the best coaches for strikers - they know what they could not deal with.
But the whole idea that you have to have been brilliant yourself in a position to coach that position is a total nonsense. Good coaches are good coaches because they have an instinct for coaching people not because they were good themesleves at playing. That's not to say good players can't be good coaches, but it is a totally different skill so the two do not necessarily follow. Any good coach can teach people how to be a far better player than they ever were, if they can't they shouldn't be coaching.
RE: Striker Coach ... - muschi - 02-02-2021
All the coaching in the world matter not a dogs fart if the tactics don't bring the coaching into play.
Pompeys best form this season (and best football) was playing 442 with Harness up with Marquis.
Williams is a real trier but not in the same class as Harness when it comes to making things happen.
RE: Striker Coach ... - Deebo - 02-02-2021
Absolutely. I remember at the time thinking why did he change Williams and Harness around? It made no sense after he had stumbled on the Harnesss/Marquis partnership at Burton and it worked so well. Harness now spends large parts of the game in his own half and gets slagged off for not playing well.
RE: Striker Coach ... - bluebollox - 02-02-2021
Muschi, Deebo. Spot on. Why has he stuck Harness back out wide. FFS he's the best 10 we've got & Williams is better than Harness wide right. Only Kenny could do that.
RE: Striker Coach ... - exterminator - 08-02-2021
Please, can someone tell me what difference Noel Gifton- Williams has made to Harrison & Marquis this season.
Neither of them can still control the ball properly, both keep giving away stupid fouls on the opposition defenders, Marquis continually ball watches and stands in offside positions when the ball is pinging about in the box & Harrison can't hit a barn door with a banjo.
If you read anything about this so called coach his hero is Graham"Turnip" Taylor the ex-Watford long ball merchant - jobs for the boy from KJ.
RE: Striker Coach ... - ForeverPompey - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 11:43 AM)exterminator Wrote: Please, can someone tell me what difference Noel Gifton- Williams has made to Harrison & Marquis this season.
Neither of them can still control the ball properly, both keep giving away stupid fouls on the opposition defenders, Marquis continually ball watches and stands in offside positions when the ball is pinging about in the box & Harrison can't hit a barn door with a banjo.
If you read anything about this so called coach his hero is Graham"Turnip" Taylor the ex-Watford long ball merchant - jobs for the boy from KJ.
Between them NGW JM and EH would appear to have very little idea about goals. NGW never did, EH never has but JM surely is better than he is currently showing?