+- TrueBlueArmy Forums (https://forum.truebluearmy.com)
+-- Forum: TBA forums (https://forum.truebluearmy.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Politics (https://forum.truebluearmy.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Thread: Suella Braverman (/showthread.php?tid=1983)
RE: Cruella - essentialmix75 - 04-11-2022
Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
RE: Cruella - Smirnoffexpress - 04-11-2022
(03-11-2022, 11:42 PM)Pompeyg100 Wrote:Yes there are numerous issues with them coming in the numbers that they are and have over the past twelve/fifteen years, not least economically. There are people in this country that will not admit that. Those people cannot admit that there might be negatives surrounding mass immigration. Because in their own minds, to do so would be to question thier own belief system. By denying the issues and stifling honest debate on the subject they cannot see that they may well be igniting future fires that cannot be put out. What was Orwell’s definition of Socialists? People that play with fire without realising that fire burns!(03-11-2022, 10:48 PM)BilltheCat Wrote: "The amount of tax lost in Britain through non-payment, avoidance and fraud has increased to £35bn, according to official figures". Sept, 2021.
I'm not sure that refugees sending pennies home to their families even scratches the surface, do you, Pompeyg100?
Like I said, we don’t just have 1 government department working at any one time do we? I also agreed that the tax issue needs sorting out.
So I’m not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make. There’s numerous issues with the migrants coming here in such numbers, I never said this was the only issue did I?
RE: Cruella - Bluestow - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to me.
RE: Cruella - Smirnoffexpress - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote:Just how many migrants do we accept before it’s too many? Is there such a thing as too many. Do we consider still taking in more migrants when quality of the lives of those already here starts to become affected negatively? The whole immigration issue, driven by Blair’s Government, has been poorly planned, badly monitored and inadequately funded.(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to
RE: Cruella - Bluestow - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 07:44 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote:Just how many migrants do we accept before it’s too many? Is there such a thing as too many. Do we consider still taking in more migrants when quality of the lives of those already here starts to become affected negatively? The whole immigration issue, driven by Blair’s Government, has been poorly planned, badly monitored and inadequately funded.(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to
It’s a reasonable question to ask, and my honest answer is, I don’t know.
What I do know is that stoking up dangerous rhetoric and blaming immigrants (who are just individuals like you and me) for the problems in this country, is not the way to go. Immigration is a global issue, it’s happening everywhere there is war, famine, environmental and social disorder. I think it’s better to solve the problem at source.
The world is facing big interconnected problems. Thinking in an isolated way won’t insulate us from the effects.
RE: Cruella - Smirnoffexpress - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 09:55 AM)Bluestow Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:44 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote:Just how many migrants do we accept before it’s too many? Is there such a thing as too many. Do we consider still taking in more migrants when quality of the lives of those already here starts to become affected negatively? The whole immigration issue, driven by Blair’s Government, has been poorly planned, badly monitored and inadequately funded.(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to
It’s a reasonable question to ask, and my honest answer is, I don’t know.
What I do know is that stoking up dangerous rhetoric and blaming immigrants (who are just individuals like you and me) for the problems in this country, is not the way to go. Immigration is a global issue, it’s happening everywhere there is war, famine, environmental and social disorder. I think it’s better to solve the problem at source.
The world is facing big interconnected problems. Thinking in an isolated way won’t insulate us from the effects.
I do not blame the migrants in any way. I blame our Governments both Labour for opening the floodgates and the Tories for not managing it.
RE: Cruella - exgaffer - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 10:57 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 09:55 AM)Bluestow Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:44 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote:Just how many migrants do we accept before it’s too many? Is there such a thing as too many. Do we consider still taking in more migrants when quality of the lives of those already here starts to become affected negatively? The whole immigration issue, driven by Blair’s Government, has been poorly planned, badly monitored and inadequately funded.(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to
It’s a reasonable question to ask, and my honest answer is, I don’t know.
What I do know is that stoking up dangerous rhetoric and blaming immigrants (who are just individuals like you and me) for the problems in this country, is not the way to go. Immigration is a global issue, it’s happening everywhere there is war, famine, environmental and social disorder. I think it’s better to solve the problem at source.
The world is facing big interconnected problems. Thinking in an isolated way won’t insulate us from the effects.
I do not blame the migrants in any way. I blame our Governments both Labour for opening the floodgates and the Tories for not managing it.
How are we thinking in an ‘isolated’ way when one in six people living in the UK was born elsewhere?
The problem is illegal migration controlled by criminals, aided and abetted by the legal profession and the courts (and useful fools some of whom post on here).
RE: Cruella - exgaffer - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 01:33 PM)exgaffer Wrote:(04-11-2022, 10:57 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 09:55 AM)Bluestow Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:44 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote: Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.Just how many migrants do we accept before it’s too many? Is there such a thing as too many. Do we consider still taking in more migrants when quality of the lives of those already here starts to become affected negatively? The whole immigration issue, driven by Blair’s Government, has been poorly planned, badly monitored and inadequately funded.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to
It’s a reasonable question to ask, and my honest answer is, I don’t know.
What I do know is that stoking up dangerous rhetoric and blaming immigrants (who are just individuals like you and me) for the problems in this country, is not the way to go. Immigration is a global issue, it’s happening everywhere there is war, famine, environmental and social disorder. I think it’s better to solve the problem at source.
The world is facing big interconnected problems. Thinking in an isolated way won’t insulate us from the effects.
I do not blame the migrants in any way. I blame our Governments both Labour for opening the floodgates and the Tories for not managing it.
How are we thinking in an ‘isolated’ way when one in six people living in the UK was born elsewhere?
The problem is illegal migration controlled by criminals, aided and abetted by the legal profession and the courts (and useful fools some of whom post on here).
I should have said England and Wales of course, the resident nit pickers will be salivating.
RE: Cruella - DeepBlue - 04-11-2022
Not nitpicking but adding more detail ....
3 million of the 9.6 million born abroad are British Nationals.
And 5.5 million British nationals live abroad.
RE: Cruella - Cunninglinguist - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 07:44 AM)Smirnoffexpress Wrote:(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote:Just how many migrants do we accept before it’s too many? Is there such a thing as too many. Do we consider still taking in more migrants when quality of the lives of those already here starts to become affected negatively? The whole immigration issue, driven by Blair’s Government, has been poorly planned, badly monitored and inadequately funded.(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to
RE: Cruella - Cunninglinguist - 04-11-2022
It’s important to remember that we should differentiate between migrants and people who are seeking asylum.
Many of the people who are arriving in little boats seem to be those who are doing so to seek a better living conditions. It is not for us to decide whether their case is rejected, or not. That is up to the relevant authorities, led by this stupid woman. They are not doing their job and it’s costing Britain millions as a result.
As to Smirns last sentence, immigration has been used as a tool for importing cheap labour since forever and certainly well before Blair. I fully concur with the rest of it.
It should be planned and properly funded. Immigration is needed to provide wealth for the existing populations future but investment has to be made at the same time.
RE: Cruella - Smirnoffexpress - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 02:53 PM)Cunninglinguist Wrote: It’s important to remember that we should differentiate between migrants and people who are seeking asylum.
Many of the people who are arriving in little boats seem to be those who are doing so to seek a better living conditions. It is not for us to decide whether their case is rejected, or not. That is up to the relevant authorities, led by this stupid woman. They are not doing their job and it’s costing Britain millions as a result.
As to Smirns last sentence, immigration has been used as a tool for importing cheap labour since forever and certainly well before Blair. I fully concur with the rest of it.
It should be planned and properly funded. Immigration is needed to provide wealth for the existing populations future but investment has to be made at the same time.
It was Blair and his Government with his “let’s see how they like multiculturalism “ mantra that meant that real mass immigration was given the green light. Done with no thought to it’s effects both economically and socially. Over a fifteen year period we have increased the country’s population each year by between 250,000 and 300,000 extra people. That is an extra city full of people each year the size of Coventry or Newcastle. To cope with this we have had cuts to local authority budgets, no real increase in NHS capacity and no real surge in the building of extra housing. Where are the extra schools, dentists and doctors to cope with this influx. Like it or not it has diluted services for all, including migrants. Blair might have started a debate on the subject, a debate that started with the population being asked “what do you want”. The illegals coming across are a symptom the disease is our whole immigration policy and the way that it’s managed.
RE: Cruella - DeepBlue - 04-11-2022
It takes a very warped prejudice to blame Blair for the increase in the past 15 years when tories have been in power for 12 of those years !
RE: Cruella - essentialmix75 - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 07:33 AM)Bluestow Wrote:(04-11-2022, 06:12 AM)essentialmix75 Wrote: Taxation is legalized theft!.. They create the f*cking currency!.. Banks keep expanding the currency supply to their benefit.
Funny how the people who believe in man made climate change, also want to import 1000s of people a day, into the UK.... How much energy is going to be needed to, increase fresh drinking water capacity, Sewage, housing, schooling, Hospitals, Doctors, Dentists, Motorway capacity..... Surely you swivel eyed loons, can see this is going to take a sh*t tone of energy to do... And guess what??.... They already have it in their own countries , that they left!!....
So is it the climate change you underachievers believe in??
Or
Everyone is welcome here??..
Keep waving that virtues flag boys!..
Climate change is going to increase immigration around the world.
Honestly Mix, I can’t see how you can believe in personal freedom and individualism, but not want other people to have the same freedom to go wherever they want for a better life. Seems like a contradiction to me.
What's this the new excuse for crossing the channel??... It's called weather and the few have been pulling the same B.S about the end is Nye, via some sort of weather Hot, Cold, Acid Rain and the ozone layer... You name it and they have whipped up the public, and had them eating out of their hands...
Easy, I don't expect other people to foot the bill for someone else, just because they fancy moving somewhere else, and getting free hand outs while some find their feet, and others milk the system forever.. If you have the currency to support yourself and a family, go right ahead.
If they had real money that couldn't be created out of nothing, then they probably would want to stay in their own countries!!... All money a weight of gold, silver and copper coins.... Real Money!.
So what are we going for??
Massive increase in freeloaders, and the energy that we will need to increase all the services and housing??...
Or
Stopping the massive increase in population, getting them to stay in their own countries, with the services and housing already there that they need!...
Do you support the environment or freeloaders?...
RE: Cruella - BilltheCat - 04-11-2022
"So I’m not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make".
The point is stop punching down.
We have plenty of freeloaders and ponces at the top end of our social structure who take everything they want without contributing to our economy. Until recently (if they are to be believed) this includes our current PM's wife.
Migrants/refugees/asylum-seekers really are small beer in comparison. Give them a job and they'll put in a shift. Unlike all the entitled tax evaders/avoiders.
The government's argument is always: "Oooo, if we hit them too hard they might take their money elsewhere". Good! Let the cunts ago - we see precious little of their money anyway.
RE: Cruella - essentialmix75 - 04-11-2022
NothinButAP*ssy
"The point is stop punching down"
You virtues twat..
Taxation is theft!... Thinking you have the right to somebody else's currency.
Move them all round you're house, they can share you're dole currency with them, see how long it lasts.
"Give them a job and they'll put in a shift."
I am sure that's how it works under communism!..
NothinButAP*ssy
Said F*ck the Climate
Massive increase in freeloaders, and the energy that we will need to increase all the services and housing!!... Was his vote!..
RE: Cruella - Pompeyg100 - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 05:21 PM)BilltheCat Wrote: "So I’m not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make".
The point is stop punching down.
We have plenty of freeloaders and ponces at the top end of our social structure who take everything they want without contributing to our economy. Until recently (if they are to be believed) this includes our current PM's wife.
Migrants/refugees/asylum-seekers really are small beer in comparison. Give them a job and they'll put in a shift. Unlike all the entitled tax evaders/avoiders.
The government's argument is always: "Oooo, if we hit them too hard they might take their money elsewhere". Good! Let the cunts ago - we see precious little of their money anyway.
Yeah just give them a job and it will all be OK. What about the overcrowded schools? Not being able to get a Dr’s appointment? Homeless people including ex-service people we can’t house?
AGAIN I don’t disagree with you about the tax dodgers, you really can stop going on about that now, we all know how you feel about it and I agree with you. I AGREE WITH YOU.
And AGAIN we dont have one Government department working at any one time, they address different problems.
RE: Cruella - essentialmix75 - 04-11-2022
Taxation is a tool used to stop the little guy, competing against the big over bloated company's...
RE: Cruella - Cunninglinguist - 04-11-2022
Immigration has been on a fairly steady upward curve since the 1960s. It has increased at a faster pace since 2005 but then freedom of movement in Europe really started to kick in then.
As Smirns states, the infrastructure was never increased to cope with the increase in population. 12 years of Tory rule have overseen most of that.
Interestingly, a good proportion of the current cabinet are of immigrant stock. If the amount of money they seemed to have accrued is anything to go by then perhaps immigrants are far less likely to be sponging off the state.
RE: Cruella - exgaffer - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 05:21 PM)BilltheCat Wrote: "So I’m not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make".
The point is stop punching down.
We have plenty of freeloaders and ponces at the top end of our social structure who take everything they want without contributing to our economy. Until recently (if they are to be believed) this includes our current PM's wife.
Migrants/refugees/asylum-seekers really are small beer in comparison. Give them a job and they'll put in a shift. Unlike all the entitled tax evaders/avoiders.
The government's argument is always: "Oooo, if we hit them too hard they might take their money elsewhere". Good! Let the cunts ago - we see precious little of their money anyway.
Nobody would argue people shouldn’t pay their fair share of tax but people will always try to minimise the amount they pay and that includes ordinary workers.
People with money do contribute, they spend their money which results in an indirect tax take. They start up companies, they employ people, the people they employ pay taxes and spend money, they stimulate the economy.
If they all fucked off who’s going to fill the void? You?
Who’s going to pay all the people to ‘put in a shift’.
You have an almost infantile view of the world, if it was left to the likes of you we’d all be living in the Stone Age ffs.
RE: Cruella - essentialmix75 - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 06:11 PM)exgaffer Wrote:I would be surprised if he's run a bath let alone a business... He has been on the dole all his life, he is one of them, who thinks the world owes him something!..(04-11-2022, 05:21 PM)BilltheCat Wrote: "So I’m not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make".
The point is stop punching down.
We have plenty of freeloaders and ponces at the top end of our social structure who take everything they want without contributing to our economy. Until recently (if they are to be believed) this includes our current PM's wife.
Migrants/refugees/asylum-seekers really are small beer in comparison. Give them a job and they'll put in a shift. Unlike all the entitled tax evaders/avoiders.
The government's argument is always: "Oooo, if we hit them too hard they might take their money elsewhere". Good! Let the cunts ago - we see precious little of their money anyway.
Nobody would argue people shouldn’t pay their fair share of tax but people will always try to minimise the amount they pay and that includes ordinary workers.
People with money do contribute, they spend their money which results in an indirect tax take. They start up companies, they employ people, the people they employ pay taxes and spend money, they stimulate the economy.
If they all fucked off who’s going to fill the void? You?
Who’s going to pay all the people to ‘put in a shift’.
You have an almost infantile view of the world, if it was left to the likes of you we’d all be living in the Stone Age ffs.
Tax them give it to me type!... Spend their hard earned currency on something to make me feel like I have achieved something...
He is just as bad as the people he wants to import.
Maybe he wants some new friends down the dole office!..
RE: Cruella - BilltheCat - 04-11-2022
I fucking despair at your complete stupidity, Exgaffer!
Do what you promised and stop posting in this section.......please.
RE: Cruella - Pompeyg100 - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 06:20 PM)BilltheCat Wrote: I fucking despair at your complete stupidity, Exgaffer!
Do what you promised and stop posting in this section.......please.
How ironic.
RE: Cruella - Tufnell_Chimes - 04-11-2022
Trouble is Guff, ordinary workers don’t have the mechanisms to reduce their tax liabilities, PAYE and NI contributions are set in stone. Whereas your idealised freewheeling entrepreneur or big business owner has all sorts of opportunities to minimise their liabilities. And most seem more than happy to take them, and more besides.
RE: Cruella - Smirnoffexpress - 04-11-2022
(04-11-2022, 04:40 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: It takes a very warped prejudice to blame Blair for the increase in the past 15 years when tories have been in power for 12 of those years !
Warped prejudice my arse, he set the agenda and implemented it. As I’ve said before the decisions taken by these idiots have generational repercussions. The responsibility for those decisions does not end when thier time in power ends. He also took us into an illegal war that caused carnage for a generation of people in the Middle East and gave us, among other things, ISIS. Does that not count because there has been twelve years of Tory Government?