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RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - DeepBlue - 31-05-2023 What div 4 defence ? We had a perfectly adequate div 2 / championship defence that season .. Knight, McLaughlin, Aizlewood , Tait & Sullivan were all fine players. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - bluebollox - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? No we didn't. The defence got found out bigtime sadly. We leaked too many goals but scored more goals than Sheff Wed. who went up. We conceded 4 @ home 3 times that I can recall straight off my head, Oldham, Toon & Blackburn. We finished 16th. With a better defence with the firepower we had who knows what may've happened. Thats why Bally shored it up straightaway after taking over. It was a league too far for the likes of McLaughlin, Sullivan & even Aizlewood. Taity-yes his commitment was second to none whatever league we were in & thats why Bally kept him. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - TBP - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? An accurate reflection of reality as I recall it. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - DeepBlue - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? The reason we leaked goals that season was more to do with Campbell's attacking tactics than the ability of the defenders. Which is why the team is remembered so fondly, they attacked and entertained. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Smirnoffexpress - 31-05-2023 (30-05-2023, 10:07 AM)Jezzer Wrote:(30-05-2023, 06:23 AM)2_Kuhl Wrote:Kuhl did something similar against Birmingham too. A 30 yard screamer (past Andy Gosney) to make it 4-0, although it was at the Milton End.(29-05-2023, 05:20 PM)Theyak2 Wrote: Martin Kuhl hit the 4th against Boro at home. We all shouted 'shoot', he did and in it went from 30yards into the fratton end net I am bitter, I still hate the cunts now for that game. And am chuffed to bits that they’ve been relegated. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Smirnoffexpress - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? That and the fact we had some real quality players. Golden times. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Cunninglinguist - 31-05-2023 (30-05-2023, 07:01 PM)bluebollox Wrote: Bobby Doyle with a sumptuous half volley from outside the box v Brighton in 1984. A goal down @ ht, we ran riot 2nd half & won 5-1. Doyle got our 2nd with that strike. Got a feeling Joe Corrigan was in goal for them. Doyle’s goal was the one that came to my mind but I don’t for the life of me remember who it was against. I do remember it being at the Fratton end and I was behind it when he wellied it. What a strike! RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Hammie - 31-05-2023 As regards Bobby Campbell, it did feel that some of our players, especially in defence were little too old or slow to cope. Going forward we were fantastic. Was that the season of the Fulham debacle? It would seem about right for that team, regardless of the wind direction. ?? Was Raffs still playing that season, he was one who maybe lost his pace? actually must have been hately seeing as how we sold him to allow Ballie t build a promotion team. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - BilltheCat - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 06:16 PM)Hammie Wrote: Was that the season of the Fulham debacle? 1984/85. Biley and Webb were up front. Biley got two and Webb one. Malcolm Waldron got the first. Doyle, Kennedy and Dillon were in midfield. I'd forgotten it was New Year's Day. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Hammie - 31-05-2023 Waldron was an odd signing, never seemed quite good enough or beefy enough for a centre half in those days. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - bluebollox - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 05:35 PM)Cunninglinguist Wrote:(30-05-2023, 07:01 PM)bluebollox Wrote: Bobby Doyle with a sumptuous half volley from outside the box v Brighton in 1984. A goal down @ ht, we ran riot 2nd half & won 5-1. Doyle got our 2nd with that strike. Got a feeling Joe Corrigan was in goal for them. Was a thing of beauty. Bobby was vastly underrated. Some of his passing was sublime & he could "dig in" when required. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - bluebollox - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:You're wrong plain & simple. The defence bar Yosser was past its sell by date. Again thats why Bally said tks but no tks. They were excellent Div 3 defenders but just not up to the job in Div2, the attackers there were too powerful, too quick & too mobile for them.(31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - DeepBlue - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 08:31 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:You're wrong plain & simple. The defence bar Yosser was past its sell by date. Again thats why Bally said tks but no tks. They were excellent Div 3 defenders but just not up to the job in Div2, the attackers there were too powerful, too quick & too mobile for them.(31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? I'd agree that the defence was weaker than the midfield and forwards in that team, and they were all certainly towards the end of their careers, but it was an unnecessary insult to describe what were decent enough players as a Div 4 defence. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - bluebollox - 31-05-2023 (31-05-2023, 09:04 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(31-05-2023, 08:31 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:You're wrong plain & simple. The defence bar Yosser was past its sell by date. Again thats why Bally said tks but no tks. They were excellent Div 3 defenders but just not up to the job in Div2, the attackers there were too powerful, too quick & too mobile for them.(31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? Yes I agree with that. Cheers DB. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Theyak2 - 31-05-2023 We will score one more than you attitude was brilliant from Bally. Truly made fratton a fortress RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - TBP - 01-06-2023 (31-05-2023, 09:04 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(31-05-2023, 08:31 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:You're wrong plain & simple. The defence bar Yosser was past its sell by date. Again thats why Bally said tks but no tks. They were excellent Div 3 defenders but just not up to the job in Div2, the attackers there were too powerful, too quick & too mobile for them.(31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 02:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: What div 4 defence ? Aizlewood was recruited in Div 4 and Sullivan in Div 3. Tait was also Div 3, as a striker. McLaughlin was recruited in Div 2. I was living in Newcastle that season and had the pleasure of seeing them lose 4-2 at Newcastle (Tait giving away a penalty) and 2-1 at Leeds. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Cunninglinguist - 01-06-2023 That Newcastle side was a test for anyone. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - 2_Kuhl - 01-06-2023 (31-05-2023, 10:32 PM)Santa release Claus Wrote: Shout out to Rodney Jack and Ronaldo for bursting the net at the Fratton End And Thomas Hitzlsperger for Villa. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - bluebollox - 01-06-2023 (01-06-2023, 05:08 AM)TBP Wrote:(31-05-2023, 09:04 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(31-05-2023, 08:31 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:You're wrong plain & simple. The defence bar Yosser was past its sell by date. Again thats why Bally said tks but no tks. They were excellent Div 3 defenders but just not up to the job in Div2, the attackers there were too powerful, too quick & too mobile for them.(31-05-2023, 03:37 PM)bluebollox Wrote: No we didn't. The defence got found out bigtime sadly. We leaked too many goals but scored more goals than Sheff Wed. who went up. We conceded 4 @ home 3 times that I can recall straight off my head, Oldham, Toon & Blackburn. We finished 16th. With a better defence with the firepower we had who knows what may've happened. McLaughlin was signed in Div 4 in the summer of 79. He came in with Aizelwood, Brisley, Laidlaw, Bryant, Rogers, Styles. Basically we completely renewed our midfield & defence on the back of selling Foster to Brighton. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - TBP - 01-06-2023 (01-06-2023, 05:25 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(01-06-2023, 05:08 AM)TBP Wrote:(31-05-2023, 09:04 PM)DeepBlue Wrote:(31-05-2023, 08:31 PM)bluebollox Wrote:(31-05-2023, 04:33 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: The reason we leaked goals that season was more to do with Campbell's attacking tactics than the ability of the defenders. Which is why the team is remembered so fondly, they attacked and entertained.You're wrong plain & simple. The defence bar Yosser was past its sell by date. Again thats why Bally said tks but no tks. They were excellent Div 3 defenders but just not up to the job in Div2, the attackers there were too powerful, too quick & too mobile for them. Thanks, I misinterpreted the record I was looking at. My view of it being a Div 4 defence is basically correct then. Although Alan Knight came in in Div 3, he was a youngster on the up. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - DeepBlue - 01-06-2023 Not sure the level we were at when we signed players really defines those players as being of that level for their whole career. Aizlewood for instance had Welsh U23 caps and I suggest if you think he wasn't good enough to play in Div 2 then you should try saying that to his face. Sullivan had 150+ div 1 appearances behind him, and Tait's best seasons were with us in Div 2 so can hardly be called a Div 4 defender. Don't know much about McLaughlin, but he was at Swindon for several years and didn't they use to yoyo between Div 3 & Div in the 70s'. And they all had played a major part in our Div 3 championship season the year before, which means they were good enough to get promotion to Div 2 so could be called too good for Div 3. Yes, they were getting old and needed replacing but that was a good side in the Hateley year, and these defenders played their part in that, and don't deserve to be called a Div 4 defence just because they were not as good as the midfield or attack. If we had had a div 4 defence then surely we would have gone down. The fact that we didn't says they were good enough for Div 2. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - Hammie - 02-06-2023 as regards that Newcastle side, their attack was far and away too good for that level. A great game at Fratton with a brilliant atmosphere as their fans had a bit of a party. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - TBP - 02-06-2023 (01-06-2023, 06:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: Not sure the level we were at when we signed players really defines those players as being of that level for their whole career. Surely it's already been established on this thread that the strike force kept them up. If I remember rightly, they won 4-3 at Cambridge, who did go down. RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - West Australian Portsmouth Fan - 02-06-2023 (01-06-2023, 06:14 AM)2_Kuhl Wrote:Did you know he came out as gay. Nothing against him but it’s pretty rare for male players to come out(31-05-2023, 10:32 PM)Santa release Claus Wrote: Shout out to Rodney Jack and Ronaldo for bursting the net at the Fratton End RE: Top Pompey Thunderbastards - DeepBlue - 02-06-2023 (02-06-2023, 01:42 PM)TBP Wrote:(01-06-2023, 06:21 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: Not sure the level we were at when we signed players really defines those players as being of that level for their whole career. We were never in relegation trouble that year, we finished 16th 7 points clear of the relegation group. Our 'div 4' defence put us 15th= for goals conceded , 21 goals fewer conceded that Swansea who went down, and only 11 goals more than Newcastle who finished third. They were an average div 2 defence playing behind an above average attack, but did OK. Plenty did worse. So I still can't see any way that calling those players a div 4 defence is not an insult to some of the best servants this club has had. |