[Rescue Dog]

...., whatever our positions on Covid matters, about the deliberate suppression of effective alternate treatments to Covid. 

This really is a very serious issue and crime.

Such information would never be censored if we did not live in a such an unequal world. The withholding of life saving information and treatment has certainly meant that 1,000s of people have died who, otherwise, would now be alive; probably, 10's of thousands.  

The current Covid narrative is leading many to become very authoritarian when, according to the science, there is a lot more we can do to alleviate suffering and death. Many of these alternate treatments are also very cheap and, could be, readily available to all. 

For those unfamiliar with what has been going on I have posted an article by Pierre Kory who explains what him, and medics like him, have had to endure for simply trying to treat their patients with effective measures that are not part of the Covid 'vaccine only' narrative. 

There are lots of 'Pierre Kory's' (i.e. experts) who disagree with the political response to Covid. SAGE and Fergusson et al are not the only scientists we have.................

We are being deliberately mislead. All of us have a right to a second opinion and be aware of scientific differences of opinion. Sometimes, our lives depend on it...........

 https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/16/stu...uppressed/

[Cressers]

Horse paste.

[Rescue Dog]

It's not a bad thing to seek a second opinion, it's quite normal and a sensible thing to do; especially, when Dr's are telling you they are treating and CURING patients.

[Rescue Dog]

Horse paste.

.......or, a Nobel Prize winning drug that has saved mutlitudes of human lives over the years. 

I'll let those who do some reading find out whether it is you or I that is correct on this.

Furthermore, the article mentions SEVERAL alternate treatments.

I simply think people have a right to be informed.

[Hermann's_no_hermit]

How many similar conspiracy theory threads are RD and EssMix going to start about vaccinations, government misinformation, blah, blah......
Bring back the Brexit debates, even they would be more welcome

[exgaffer]

How many similar conspiracy theory threads are RD and EssMix going to start about vaccinations, government misinformation, blah, blah......
Bring back the Brexit debates, even they would be more welcome

The trouble is that most of them are not conspiracy theories, the fact that you think they are suggests that you have a very narrow range of information sources.

Essmix does come up with some of the wilder theories it’s true    , but RD’s contributions are usually very accurate.

Government misinforming the public? Who could possibly believe such a thing? 

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Hey Guff, I 'sort of' agree with you. Not on substance of course, but RD does seem to be more on the pragmatic wing of EsseX's loony fringe. edit: did I say 'pragmatic' - I think I meant 'less-hysterical' or 'lower key'.

Is it just me or does there appear to be a lot of repitition of certain words and phrases that seem to crop up in pulses: authoritiarian, own nothing and lots of YouTube links. I get the feeling there's more but really I can't be arsed to go back through all the posts. Strings a-pulling, methinks.

Oh and one more thing Guff, just to disavow of any excuse - you voted for these creatures. Your vote allowed it all to happen. More shit to own - you're like the Steve Baker of TBA, continually wrong but you just keep on digging.

[Bluestow]

...., whatever our positions on Covid matters, about the deliberate suppression of effective alternate treatments to Covid. 

This really is a very serious issue and crime.

Such information would never be censored if we did not live in a such an unequal world. The withholding of life saving information and treatment has certainly meant that 1,000s of people have died who, otherwise, would now be alive; probably, 10's of thousands.  

The current Covid narrative is leading many to become very authoritarian when, according to the science, there is a lot more we can do to alleviate suffering and death. Many of these alternate treatments are also very cheap and, could be, readily available to all. 

For those unfamiliar with what has been going on I have posted an article by Pierre Kory who explains what him, and medics like him, have had to endure for simply trying to treat their patients with effective measures that are not part of the Covid 'vaccine only' narrative. 

There are lots of 'Pierre Kory's' (i.e. experts) who disagree with the political response to Covid. SAGE and Fergusson et al are not the only scientists we have.................

We are being deliberately mislead. All of us have a right to a second opinion and be aware of scientific differences of opinion. Sometimes, our lives depend on it...........

 https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/16/stu...uppressed/

Your position on this is strange, but revealing.

The vast majority of doctors, universities and institutions support the science behind vaccines that have been vigorously tested by countries around the globe, yet you choose to identify with a small number of individuals who promote unverified and unproven treatments. It’s perverse and unscientific. Your position makes no logical sense unless you are in fact promoting a conspiracy theory (which you say you’re not).

[BilltheCat]

Is it just me or does there appear to be a lot of repitition of certain words and phrases that seem to crop up in pulses: authoritiarian, own nothing and lots of YouTube links. 

"Fascism" crops up a great deal.

[brian bromley]

The antivaxers seem to have taken over this board, even more boring than guffs and tuffs diatribes.

This board needs proper moderation before every sane person departs.

[Hermann's_no_hermit]

How many similar conspiracy theory threads are RD and EssMix going to start about vaccinations, government misinformation, blah, blah......
Bring back the Brexit debates, even they would be more welcome

The trouble is that most of them are not conspiracy theories, the fact that you think they are suggests that you have a very narrow range of information sources.

Essmix does come up with some of the wilder theories it’s true    , but RD’s contributions are usually very accurate.

Government misinforming the public? Who could possibly believe such a thing? 

I read many ranges of information sources Guff but certainly wouldn't hold much store in anything on federalist.com. The truth is, we all probably ultimately believe those sources that most closely reflect our own viewpoint.

[exgaffer]

How many similar conspiracy theory threads are RD and EssMix going to start about vaccinations, government misinformation, blah, blah......
Bring back the Brexit debates, even they would be more welcome

The trouble is that most of them are not conspiracy theories, the fact that you think they are suggests that you have a very narrow range of information sources.

Essmix does come up with some of the wilder theories it’s true    , but RD’s contributions are usually very accurate.

Government misinforming the public? Who could possibly believe such a thing? 

I read many ranges of information sources Guff but certainly wouldn't hold much store in anything on federalist.com. The truth is, we all probably ultimately believe those sources that most closely reflect our own viewpoint.

No HnH, I believe those sources that provide the best evidence. I don’t have a set in stone viewpoint and if someone can prove a point to me I will change my mind.

If the government had followed the advice of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, rather than trying to stop the virus (which was always an impossible task), far fewer old and vulnerable people would have died and we wouldn’t have had so many undiagnosed illnesses or so much economic damage. The economic consequences of this will be with us for decades to come.

Not to mention of course the damage to education, deaths from vaccine complications etc. etc.

The government is STILL listening to the likes of Ferguson, whose models have never been correct, as well as The Chuckle Brothers and SAGE (if ever a group was mis named ffs). Their recommendations have been demonstrably disastrous.

Evidence based my arse.

[Jizbag]

How many similar conspiracy theory threads are RD and EssMix going to start about vaccinations, government misinformation, blah, blah......
Bring back the Brexit debates, even they would be more welcome

The trouble is that most of them are not conspiracy theories, the fact that you think they are suggests that you have a very narrow range of information sources.

Essmix does come up with some of the wilder theories it’s true    , but RD’s contributions are usually very accurate.

Government misinforming the public? Who could possibly believe such a thing? 

I'll tell you something Tuffers...our lives would be far worse under a Labour government. We'd have been in lockdown the entire year.

Starmer is total lockdown lover, almost as bad as Drakeford!

[Jizbag]

The antivaxers seem to have taken over this board, even more boring than guffs and tuffs diatribes.

This board needs proper moderation before every sane person departs.

You mean people with an alternative opinion!

[Tufnell_Chimes]

I'll tell you something Tuffers...our lives would be far worse under a Labour government.

Well Jiz, I don't know what kind of metric you'd use to back that up, but there are a few things we can safely assume:
- A Labour leader would not have ignored the first five COBRA meetings
- A Labour leader would have locked down earlier - before the February half-term and would not have let all those on skiing holidays in the Bergamo region the just walk back into the country untested
- A Labour leader would not have allowed elderly Covid-infected hospital patients to be sent back into their care homes untested
- A Labour leader would not have created a VIP supply line channel to enrich their mates
- A Labour leader would have ensured that all those supplying PPE actually have experience in medical equipment and not a pub landlord
- A Labour leader would not have commissioned Brexit-supporter James Dyson to invent a brand new intubator - they would have used the companies that already had intubators in stock and ready to go - under johnson their calls went unanswered
- A Labour leader would have stuck to the rules that they had set for everyone else
- A Labour leader would not have created Eat Out to Spread It About, or promoted Freedom Day! or any other feel-good-but-with-a-huge-cost bollocks
- A Labour leader would have instilled a greater sense of trust throughout the population and we'd have seen a more responsible response to wearing masks and taking vaccinations.
- And lastly, a Labour leader and a Labour government would have had every move scrutinised and analysed by a tory press.

So a Labour leader may have installed lockdowns earlier and for longer, but on the upside they'd probably be around 60,000 people still alive rather than dead under the tories.

[Jizbag]

"Promoted Freedom Day"....sums you up actually.

And you really believe all that??

[Tufnell_Chimes]

"Promoted Freedom Day"....sums you up actually." meaning what? Freedom Day was just a lie, another moment for johnson to indulge his neediness to be liked - I'm guessing you actually thought it meant something. It also precluded the greatest number of deaths during the whole eighteen months.

And do I believe the rest of it? yeah, I do. How bad do things have to get until you begin to ponder that the tories may not be governing in your best interests...

[Trarchus]

So disappointing we're looking at another round of restrictions if not some sort of lock-down again.  Somehow, we've got to get ahead of this pandemic and break the vicious cycle we're in.  That might take a huge global effort and there I think lies the problem.  More infections lead to more dangerous strains especially it seems from rural countries with poor vaccine rates.

[oi oi saveloy]

Is it just me or does there appear to be a lot of repitition of certain words and phrases that seem to crop up in pulses: authoritiarian, own nothing and lots of YouTube links. 

"Fascism" crops up a great deal.

[Cressers]

Probably a 'bot.

[exterminator]

Well Rescue Dog & Essentialmix and  any other non believing tosser I tested positive by LFT on Sunday after a negative on Friday. PCR confirmed Covid 19  on Sunday,  gradually been feeling worse & worse since then.

As someone who is  CEV due to some underlying health problems  the great people from the NHS have been over me like a rash with texts, emails and phone calls. They  got me a pulse & oxygen
onitor sent for monitoring and reporting 4 times a day  & are now sending me out some sort of anti viral  tablets via a taxi !!

All this for something that certainly isn't "just flu" - if it keeps me out of hospital that will be one of the my best Christmas presents ever !

So to anyone out there who thinks the NHS are sitting on their backsides doing nothing, not trying to keep people healthy & out of hospital wind your necks in and listen to people who are experiencing this dreadful virus

[scumslayer]

I think you're a fucking bellend but I hope you get better soon

[Tufnell_Chimes]

I think you're a fucking bellend but I hope you get better soon

Me too

[BilltheCat]

Well Rescue Dog & Essentialmix and by any other non believing tosser I tested positive by LFT on Sunday after a negative on Friday. PCR confirmed Covid 19  on Sunday,  gradually been feeling worse & worse since then.

As someone who is  CEV due to some underlying health problems  the great people from the NHS have been over me like a rash with texts, emails and phone calls. They  got me a pulse & oxygen
onitor sent for monitoring and reporting 4 times a day  & are now sending me out some sort of anti viral  tablets via a taxi !!

All this for something that certainly isn't "just flu" - if it keeps me out of hospital that will be one of the my best Christmas presents ever !

So to anyone out there who thinks the NHS are sitting on their backsides doing nothing, not trying to keep people healthy & out of hospital wind your necks in and listen to people who are experiencing this dreadful virus

Hope you get well soon. Best wishes!

[bluebollox]

Well Rescue Dog & Essentialmix and by any other non believing tosser I tested positive by LFT on Sunday after a negative on Friday. PCR confirmed Covid 19  on Sunday,  gradually been feeling worse & worse since then.

As someone who is  CEV due to some underlying health problems  the great people from the NHS have been over me like a rash with texts, emails and phone calls. They  got me a pulse & oxygen
onitor sent for monitoring and reporting 4 times a day  & are now sending me out some sort of anti viral  tablets via a taxi !!

All this for something that certainly isn't "just flu" - if it keeps me out of hospital that will be one of the my best Christmas presents ever !

So to anyone out there who thinks the NHS are sitting on their backsides doing nothing, not trying to keep people healthy & out of hospital wind your necks in and listen to people who are experiencing this dreadful virus

Get well soon exterminator.