[66zoolane]

I'll tell you something Tuffers...our lives would be far worse under a Labour government.

Well Jiz, I don't know what kind of metric you'd use to back that up, but there are a few things we can safely assume:
- A Labour leader would not have ignored the first five COBRA meetings
- A Labour leader would have locked down earlier - before the February half-term and would not have let all those on skiing holidays in the Bergamo region the just walk back into the country untested
- A Labour leader would not have allowed elderly Covid-infected hospital patients to be sent back into their care homes untested
- A Labour leader would not have created a VIP supply line channel to enrich their mates
- A Labour leader would have ensured that all those supplying PPE actually have experience in medical equipment and not a pub landlord
- A Labour leader would not have commissioned Brexit-supporter James Dyson to invent a brand new intubator - they would have used the companies that already had intubators in stock and ready to go - under johnson their calls went unanswered
- A Labour leader would have stuck to the rules that they had set for everyone else
- A Labour leader would not have created Eat Out to Spread It About, or promoted Freedom Day! or any other feel-good-but-with-a-huge-cost bollocks
- A Labour leader would have instilled a greater sense of trust throughout the population and we'd have seen a more responsible response to wearing masks and taking vaccinations.
- And lastly, a Labour leader and a Labour government would have had every move scrutinised and analysed by a tory press.

So a Labour leader may have installed lockdowns earlier and for longer, but on the upside they'd probably be around 60,000 people still alive rather than dead under the tories.

Just saw this. While I'm centre-left, you do realise the Labour leader you're talking about would've been Corbyn??

He'd have spent every Cobra meeting deciding what name to call the virus without offending it, Dianne would've estimated the vaccine roll-out cost at around £3.50, and McDonnell would've lost it with any interviewer who questioned that. While most Labour governments might have handled things better...that one wouldn't.

[scouse]

"Yes but Corbyn!"

Whatever...

[Rescue Dog]

[quote="brian bromley" pid="19823" dateline="1640173996"]
Thanks Cressers, Jezzer you have an email.

[exgaffer]

I'll tell you something Tuffers...our lives would be far worse under a Labour government.

Well Jiz, I don't know what kind of metric you'd use to back that up, but there are a few things we can safely assume:
- A Labour leader would not have ignored the first five COBRA meetings
- A Labour leader would have locked down earlier - before the February half-term and would not have let all those on skiing holidays in the Bergamo region the just walk back into the country untested
- A Labour leader would not have allowed elderly Covid-infected hospital patients to be sent back into their care homes untested
- A Labour leader would not have created a VIP supply line channel to enrich their mates
- A Labour leader would have ensured that all those supplying PPE actually have experience in medical equipment and not a pub landlord
- A Labour leader would not have commissioned Brexit-supporter James Dyson to invent a brand new intubator - they would have used the companies that already had intubators in stock and ready to go - under johnson their calls went unanswered
- A Labour leader would have stuck to the rules that they had set for everyone else
- A Labour leader would not have created Eat Out to Spread It About, or promoted Freedom Day! or any other feel-good-but-with-a-huge-cost bollocks
- A Labour leader would have instilled a greater sense of trust throughout the population and we'd have seen a more responsible response to wearing masks and taking vaccinations.
- And lastly, a Labour leader and a Labour government would have had every move scrutinised and analysed by a tory press.

So a Labour leader may have installed lockdowns earlier and for longer, but on the upside they'd probably be around 60,000 people still alive rather than dead under the tories.

Just saw this. While I'm centre-left, you do realise the Labour leader you're talking about would've been Corbyn??

He'd have spent every Cobra meeting deciding what name to call the virus without offending it, Dianne would've estimated the vaccine roll-out cost at around £3.50, and McDonnell would've lost it with any interviewer who questioned that. While most Labour governments might have handled things better...that one wouldn't.

You have only to look at the mess Drakeford is making of Wales to see what a ‘Labour Leader’ would have done to the country.

As for lockdowns, they have been shown to be ineffective in every country that has tried them and it is the absolute definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

Shielding the elderly and vulnerable earlier would have worked and would not have involved shutting down the economy, saddling future generations with mountains of debt, and seeding care homes with infected patients from hospitals.

Ideology will not save anyone from the virus. Using evidence based methods and leaving out the ‘being seen to be doing something, no matter how nonsensical’ will achieve better results.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Mark Drakeford has actually been consistently been the most popular leader of the four regions and has been the most trusted. But don't go letting a little item like the truth get in the way of your point, eh, Guffs. By way of comparison, 71% of those polled by YouGov (that's the tory Education Minister's own polling business) "replied that they thought the Prime Minister was doing a bad job".

...and while we're at it: "Ideology will not save anyone from the virus" - lockdowns are not an ideology, they're a physical response to case numbers rising. Repeating that its "just like flu" and why can't we just ignore it and carry on going to the pub on the other hand, is an ideology (but not the brightest).

[Smirnoffexpress]

Corbyn is a coont and a useless one at that.

[Trarchus]

Some very interesting graphs here Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated   Hospital Admisions[url=https://www.aol.co.uk/news/many-unvaccinated-people-being-admitted-131305999.html][/url]

Some might say refusing a vaccine is paramount to self-harm

[Hermann's_no_hermit]

Some very interesting graphs here Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated   Hospital Admisions[url=https://www.aol.co.uk/news/many-unvaccinated-people-being-admitted-131305999.html][/url]

Some might say refusing a vaccine is paramount to self-harm

I am sure this will be dismissed by the Anti-Vaxers as a Big Pharma/government misinformation. It must be as it doesn't support their paranoia

[brian bromley]

Australia is considering charging non vaccinated cov patients for the medical expense of treating them.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

If quoting Alison Pearson is representative of every other link you’ve been posting then I’m so glad I never wasted my time reading any of them. Sorry EsseX, but if you’re giving credence to this rightwing piece of old shit it only illustrates that you’ve been led down a hole. Who’s up next - Toby Young?

[exgaffer]

Australia is considering charging non vaccinated cov patients for the medical expense of treating them.

Australia had been putting people in what are, effectively, detention camps.

You are in favour of that are you?

Australia and New Zealand have been pursuing a ‘zero COVID’ policy and both have, predicatably, failed.

Are they charging smokers, fatties, drug addicts for the medical expense of treating self inflicted ailments?

Be very careful what you wish for.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

If quoting Alison Pearson is representative of every other link you’ve been posting then I’m so glad I never wasted my time reading any of them. Sorry EsseX, but if you’re giving credence to this rightwing piece of old shit it only illustrates that you’ve been led down a hole. Who’s up next - Toby Young?

Tufnell, unlike you I listen to both sides, just because someone is right wing does not make them a bad person, the same as if you are left wing.

You need to stop putting yourself in a box, and make anyone else who doesn't fit into the box with you your enemy.

This is how the ruling class divide us.

EsseX, if you’re at all left wing in this country you can’t help but listen to the other side, it’s the predominate message, coming at you 24/7. Alison Pearson is a lying piece of rubbish who’s happy to pimp herself out to the business interests of the Telegraph. We had endemic false equivalence with the Brexit referendum and look where that got us. You need to be more selective.

[exgaffer]

If quoting Alison Pearson is representative of every other link you’ve been posting then I’m so glad I never wasted my time reading any of them. Sorry EsseX, but if you’re giving credence to this rightwing piece of old shit it only illustrates that you’ve been led down a hole. Who’s up next - Toby Young?

Tufnell, unlike you I listen to both sides, just because someone is right wing does not make them a bad person, the same as if you are left wing.

You need to stop putting yourself in a box, and make anyone else who doesn't fit into the box with you your enemy.

This is how the ruling class divide us.

EsseX, if you’re at all left wing in this country you can’t help but listen to the other side, it’s the predominate message, coming at you 24/7. Alison Pearson is a lying piece of rubbish who’s happy to pimp herself out to the business interests of the Telegraph. We had endemic false equivalence with the Brexit referendum and look where that got us. You need to be more selective.

‘Predominant narrative’, have you been on the sauce Tufnell?

Your delusion knows no bounds.

Merry Christmas by the way. 

[Trarchus]

 Alison Pearson 

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Happy Christmas Guff, but just to be accurate, I didn't say "Predominant narrative" I said "predominate message" - there's a tautological difference.

The Daily Express, the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Times, The Sun - weekday and sunday editions - plus a BBC that has had its top management stuffed with tory placements, a political editor that is essentially a tool of government and a Radio 4 figurehead with links to the Conservative Party that go back to when he was chairman of the Young Conservatives. That seems predominant.


Alison Pearson
Innit.

[Rescue Dog]

Some very interesting graphs here Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated   Hospital Admisions[url=https://www.aol.co.uk/news/many-unvaccinated-people-being-admitted-131305999.html][/url]

Some might say refusing a vaccine is paramount to self-harm

I am sure this will be dismissed by the Anti-Vaxers as a Big Pharma/government misinformation. It must be as it doesn't support their paranoia

This is in keeping with all the evidence that the vaccine offers significant benefit in order to avoid hospitalisation or fatality. 

Happy Xmas 

[exgaffer]

Happy Christmas Guff, but just to be accurate, I didn't say "Predominant narrative" I said "predominate message" - there's a tautological difference.

The Daily Express, the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Times, The Sun - weekday and sunday editions - plus a BBC that has had its top management stuffed with tory placements, a political editor that is essentially a tool of government and a Radio 4 figurehead with links to the Conservative Party that go back to when he was chairman of the Young Conservatives. That seems predominant.


Alison Pearson   
Innit.

Well we allegedly have a Conservative government but you wouldn’t know it   .

[scouse]

It depends on your perspective.

The ex-men are so far right that everything looks left-wing to them.

While from my point of view everyone else is a jackbooted brownshirt.

[scouse]

Hang on, where did e(ssentialmi)x75 go?

[exgaffer]

It depends on your perspective.

The ex-men are so far right that everything looks left-wing to them.

While from my point of view everyone else is a jackbooted brownshirt.

Merry Christmas Che   .

[Cressers]

Booted out of what?

[Rescue Dog]

Happy Xmas everyone.

This video is on topic and really funny. Enjoy   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukIoZ8d3Ew

[scumslayer]

If that were true you would be banned. You can still post so the evidence is you can have a view