[Hermann's_no_hermit]

He won't fuck off as he believes his mission in life is to bore the hell out of us all with illiterate, unintelligible drivel.

[Hermann's_no_hermit]

He won't fuck off as he believes his mission in life is to bore the hell out of us all with illiterate, unintelligible drivel.

Proof and Facts.

Keep up cup cake.

Proof? Don't make me laugh

[66zoolane]

As you'd probably point out yourself, with that conspiratorial comma use:

'I have absolutely no idea,
why anyone would believe a word I say,
wouldn't be true'

[Cressers]

A overflow surge marquee has appeared outside my local hospital's A&E, and another 313 people are dead today due to this 'mild cold'.

[Hermann's_no_hermit]

A overflow surge marquee has appeared outside my local hospital's A&E, and another 313 people are dead today due to this 'mild cold'.

Sorry Cressers they will be exaggerating their own deaths due to being brainwashed by the government.

[exgaffer]

A overflow surge marquee has appeared outside my local hospital's A&E, and another 313 people are dead today due to this 'mild cold'.

Well an overflow marquee is a good thing isn’t it Cressers? We don’t have enough beds in a normal winter for old people with respiratory problems, so we should have permanent ‘overflow’ facilities and we should have the staff to operate them.

As for the deaths, you really are blinkered in your view aren’t you?

The figure you quote is not the definitive number who have died ‘of’ COVID, it is those who have died ‘with’ COVID. I’d have thought that would have sunk in by now ffs. If you have tested positive for COVID and died you will be included in the figures, whether or not it actually killed you. These figures are so misleading as to be of no value in the debate.

It will be interesting when the dust has settled to see how many have died because they weren’t treated for other more lethal conditions by the National COVID service.

Omicron symptoms are mild for the vast majority of people, it may not fit your narrative but it is a fact.

Of course there will be exceptions, there always are. Exceptions do not prove a thing though.

[Rescue Dog]

Literally thousands of people have needlessly died in the UK because valid alternate treatments have been deliberately ignored and censored; many of these treatments are readily available and VERY cheap. Many are preventative as well as cures/treatments.

Below is a link showing the latest evidence for valid (and not so good) alternate treatments for Covid and the horrific censorship that prevents many of us knowing about this. 

We are living in very dark times where the withholding of effective life saving treatments and the 'othering' of dissenters, no matter how expert, are so prevalent. Banning and censoring world experts is the 21st Century version of Nazi book burning. 

The genuine world expert medics and scientists in the link I provide are not anti-vax flat Earthers trying to sell unicorns but award winning medics with literally decades of experience; this is what these men and women do for a living. 

To give one highly notable example, Professor Paul Marik (part of the group in the link below) is the most cited expert in Intensive Care Unit treatments in US history.....let that sink in...the most cited expert in Intensive Care Unit treatments in US history....he knows what he is talking about; they all do.

These people are not quacks and the fully researched scientific evidence they have should be widely known.

At very least these people should be a big part of the discussion. 

Let us make them part of the discussion, whatever our other views, and not outsource our thinking to the MSM and corporate politicians. 

This is science. The link below is science

The link below shows how various drugs performed in treating Covid (the amount of improvement, the number of trials for each drug, the amount of people involved in trials, the range of results (as some treatments did very well under some tests but 'bombed' in others, some were VERY consistent across all trials) and, importantly, the costs for each drug. 

I politely ask people to keep an open mind and simply read the evidence these people have (it is genuine expert opinion based on evidence) and is not that long.

 https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/the-gl...medium=web

[exgaffer]

Literally thousands of people have needlessly died in the UK because valid alternate treatments have been deliberately ignored and censored; many of these treatments are readily available and VERY cheap. Many are preventative as well as cures/treatments.

Below is a link showing the latest evidence for valid (and not so good) alternate treatments for Covid and the horrific censorship that prevents many of us knowing about this. 

We are living in very dark times where the withholding of effective life saving treatments and the 'othering' of dissenters, no matter how expert, are so prevalent. Banning and censoring world experts is the 21st Century version of Nazi book burning. 

The genuine world expert medics and scientists in the link I provide are not anti-vax flat Earthers trying to sell unicorns but award winning medics with literally decades of experience; this is what these men and women do for a living. 

To give one highly notable example, Professor Paul Marik (part of the group in the link below) is the most cited expert in Intensive Care Unit treatments in US history.....let that sink in...the most cited expert in Intensive Care Unit treatments in US history....he knows what he is talking about; they all do.

These people are not quacks and the fully researched scientific evidence they have should be widely known.

At very least these people should be a big part of the discussion. 

Let us make them part of the discussion, whatever our other views, and not outsource our thinking to the MSM and corporate politicians. 

This is science. The link below is science

The link below shows how various drugs performed in treating Covid (the amount of improvement, the number of trials for each drug, the amount of people involved in trials, the range of results (as some treatments did very well under some tests but 'bombed' in others, some were VERY consistent across all trials) and, importantly, the costs for each drug. 

I politely ask people to keep an open mind and simply read the evidence these people have (it is genuine expert opinion based on evidence) and is not that long.

 https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/the-gl...medium=web

Excellent post.

It really is concerning that some expert voices are being silenced for political and ‘pitch fork and flaming torch’ reasons.

We need open debate, we need to hear ALL sides of the argument.

If people are so very sure of their position, they should not be afraid to justify themselves.

If we do this, the majority will come to the right conclusion and the crazies can go off and find solace with the flat earthers.

[Rescue Dog]

I have copy and pasted a reply to Deep from a previous thread as it shows one piece of scientific evidence to the effectiveness of lockdowns.

 To be clear, the study shows lockdowns slow the spread of disease for the duration they are undertaken, so lessen Covid deaths in the short term. This would support arguments that Deep, Tuffers, Bluestow etc., make that lockdowns save the NHS from being overwhelmed. This research shows many of the other consequences of such decisions and tries to balance benefits v consequences of lockdowns to arrive at a more complete view. 

I think that, whatever our views, we can all appreciate that there are some very tough decisions to be made and that there are no perfect answers. 
Also, the NHS chose to reduce treatments to cope with Covid not the Govt. I was wrong to make this claim a couple of posts ago but was corrected by Deep (thanks for that).

The Copy & Paste:-

Below is a link to a scientific study released last week: "Covid-19 Pandemic: How Effective Are Preventative Control Measures and Is a Complete Lockdown Justified? A Comparison of Countries and States."

https://www.mdpi.com/2673-8112/2/1/3/htm

This study compares the health outcomes of 92 countries, states and provinces with varying degrees of lockdown from none to complete lockdown. 

Some quotes from the researcher's many findings:

1) "We did not find any statistically significant difference in the effectiveness between countries with and without lockdowns." 
"(Generally) There was also no evidence that lockdown measures manage the mortality (deaths per population) better than measures without lockdowns." 

The research did show lockdowns tended to slow contagion in the short term but that this, generally, had no long term benefit; Covid deaths are simply delayed and other deaths occur due to lack of medical treatment.

However, there were some specific instances where the research showed lockdowns did seem more successful at saving lives:
2) "The smaller the population size and the land area, the more effective the control measures"

For honesty, I found 2 other research articles that supported lockdowns as a method of saving lives and 1 other that also said lockdowns had no long term benefit. All 3 of these studied fewer geographical areas than the link I provide.

However, all the research showed, obviously, that lockdowns create many other health issues, many serious (as well as being a massive attack on personal liberty and harming the economy). 

[Rescue Dog]

Literally thousands of people have needlessly died in the UK because valid alternate treatments have been deliberately ignored and censored; many of these treatments are readily available and VERY cheap. Many are preventative as well as cures/treatments.

Below is a link showing the latest evidence for valid (and not so good) alternate treatments for Covid and the horrific censorship that prevents many of us knowing about this. 

We are living in very dark times where the withholding of effective life saving treatments and the 'othering' of dissenters, no matter how expert, are so prevalent. Banning and censoring world experts is the 21st Century version of Nazi book burning. 

The genuine world expert medics and scientists in the link I provide are not anti-vax flat Earthers trying to sell unicorns but award winning medics with literally decades of experience; this is what these men and women do for a living. 

To give one highly notable example, Professor Paul Marik (part of the group in the link below) is the most cited expert in Intensive Care Unit treatments in US history.....let that sink in...the most cited expert in Intensive Care Unit treatments in US history....he knows what he is talking about; they all do.

These people are not quacks and the fully researched scientific evidence they have should be widely known.

At very least these people should be a big part of the discussion. 

Let us make them part of the discussion, whatever our other views, and not outsource our thinking to the MSM and corporate politicians. 

This is science. The link below is science

The link below shows how various drugs performed in treating Covid (the amount of improvement, the number of trials for each drug, the amount of people involved in trials, the range of results (as some treatments did very well under some tests but 'bombed' in others, some were VERY consistent across all trials) and, importantly, the costs for each drug. 

I politely ask people to keep an open mind and simply read the evidence these people have (it is genuine expert opinion based on evidence) and is not that long.

 https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/the-gl...medium=web

Excellent post.

It really is concerning that some expert voices are being silenced for political and ‘pitch fork and flaming torch’ reasons.

We need open debate, we need to hear ALL sides of the argument.

If people are so very sure of their position, they should not be afraid to justify themselves.

If we do this, the majority will come to the right conclusion and the crazies can go off and find solace with the flat earthers.

I agree. We desperately need an honest debate. Untruths wither in sunlight.  

Between all of us we'd probably get pretty close to a general consensus. 

Deep corrected me on a falsehood I believed to be true a couple of threads ago and I'm glad to now be a bit better informed than I was before.

[Rescue Dog]

This is a 'good' example of Covid censorship. The British Medical Journal (in their own words) explaining and complaining about being censored by Facebook over Covid as if FB know more about medicines and treatment than the BMJ.

This is happening ALL the time. Truly shocking. Truly out of order. Truly anti-science. Truly bullshit. Truly pro-corporate.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

Fuck the BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, Express, Mail, Independent, CNN, Fox etc., etc., etc.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

"We desperately need an honest debate."

We voted in a lying prime minister who got in on a lie, and needs to continue the lie in order to stay in power. Honest debates about anything are not on the table. Suck it up.

[exgaffer]

"We desperately need an honest debate."

We voted in a lying prime minister who got in on a lie, and needs to continue the lie in order to stay in power. Honest debates about anything are not on the table. Suck it up.

Says someone who supports the fucking Labour Party, faf  .

Nobody is defending Boris, the whole establishment is rotten to the core.

Boris was only voted in because Labour refused to honour a democratic decision, it is that simple.

The media are the culprits, they should be holding these clowns to account and not pandering to one political ideology over another.

It’s time to forget the bollox party allegiances and have government by consensus, taking ALL the facts into account.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

"Boris was only voted in because Labour refused to honour a democratic decision"

As I said people knowingly voted in a liar on the premise of a lie. You voted for him, its on you. If you really want the media to hold the governement of the day to account, don't vote Tory - it really is that simple.

[Rescue Dog]

"We desperately need an honest debate."

We voted in a lying prime minister who got in on a lie, and needs to continue the lie in order to stay in power. Honest debates about anything are not on the table. Suck it up.

"Suck it up." Why?

Surely the obvious thing to do is tell the truth and expose the lies especially when lives depend on it; which they do.

'Sucking up' is not an option and never will be. The lies being told go WAY beyond the serial incompetent, dishonest and lying bull-shitter that is our PM.

We need a social revolution to break the corporate stranglehold on our medical, political and tech systems; nothing will change until this happens and people will continue to die needlessly. The evidence is overwhelming.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

The "suck it up" was directed to Guff, who voted for this pile of shit, but chooses not to own it and instead look for lame reasons to excuse himself.

A social revolution will never happen, that was Corbyn - that was the chance for a different style of politics (not saying better or worse, only different), and looked what they did to him.

[Rescue Dog]

The "suck it up" was directed to Guff, who voted for this pile of shit, but chooses not to own it but instead look for lame excuses.

A social revolution will never happen, that was Corbyn - that was the chance for a different style of politics (not saying better or worse, only different), and looked what they did to him.

What happened to Corbyn is further evidence of corporate dominance of all our media, political and tech systems; as is the Knighting of Blair and 'leadership' (LOL) of Sir Starmer of the Trilateral Commission. This is true whether someone likes, hates or is indifferent to Corbyn.

To give one example, The Guardian (according to Mark Curtis and Matt Kennard --2 excellent journalists) published the equivalent of nearly 1 "Corbyn anti-semitism" story every day for nearly 3 years!!! This is not news, this is blatant public manipulation. 

The blatant, sustained and dishonest smear campaign directed against Corbyn was an attack on democracy; especially from inside his own party. One does not have to be a Corbyn fan to see this.

Change is guaranteed, the question is its direction.

An informed population is difficult to govern dishonestly which is why censorship is used. It's our responsibility to counter the disinformation and, as Gaff said, not let the pitch fork holders turn against the torch holders.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Corbyn is nothing more then an establishment puppet too.

They are all c**ts in it for them self.

They F**k the public over and fill their own pockets.

Well that's the closest we're ever going to get - and whether you like him or loathe him, if there was one politician that wasn't going to fill his own pockets it would be Corbyn. I think his expenses one year was a replacement stapler.

Frost is pushing johnson "to be more conservative" which is basically implementing what Steve Baker and his nutjob CRG want: less taxes, less regulation, less rights, more opaque transfer of wealth - basically a more extreme version of where we are right now. After ten years of bogus austerity I can't see it being a vote winner, but you never know, Brexit seems to have infected people's brains. Maybe when its failure becomes impossible to hide they'll be a national rethink - seems unlikely from this point of the timeline though.

[Smirnoffexpress]

Brexit has infected the national psyche, many people saw the establishment, media and big business bending over backwards to try and deny the outcome of the referendum.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Smirns, think you'll find that it was the establishment, media and big business bending over backwards to support the Leave vote. VoteLeave didn't have one certifiable benefit of leaving the EU - not one. It was all optimistic projections based on nothing but hope and hot air, and yet received an equal level of exposure and seriousness to actual EU benefits we were already enjoying.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

"Being run by unelected Bureaucrat who look out for Multinational corporations"

There are currently 705 MEPs, everyone of which has been directly elected by Proportional Representation.

There are 650 MPs in the House of Commons - first past the post decides who forms the government. In addition to this, there's the second chamber - the House of Lords - where members make laws, shape laws and challenge laws. This chamber is currently made up of 809 peers, 26 of which are bishops and 92 are hereditary peers (dukes, earls, barons, etc.) - a year ago johnson nominated 36 new members - his choice. Fifteen of the last sixteen Tory party treasurers have been appointed to the Lords - they have all made donation of at least £3m to the Conservative Party.

Corbyn was/is anti-EU, if he wasn't he might have made it a lot closer to being PM.

[exgaffer]

"Being run by unelected Bureaucrat who look out for Multinational corporations"

There are currently 705 MEPs, everyone of which has been directly elected by Proportional Representation.

There are 650 MPs in the House of Commons - first past the post decides who forms the government. In addition to this, there's the second chamber - the House of Lords - where members make laws, shape laws and challenge laws. This chamber is currently made up of 809 peers, 26 of which are bishops and 92 are hereditary peers (dukes, earls, barons, etc.) - a year ago johnson nominated 36 new members - his choice. Fifteen of the last sixteen Tory party treasurers have been appointed to the Lords - they have all made donation of at least £3m to the Conservative Party.

Corbyn was/is anti-EU, if he wasn't he might have made it a lot closer to being PM.

The MEPs are elected by a laughably small number of people since most voters care more about their own parliaments than that of the EU.

You also conveniently omit the fact that the laws are not made by the Parliament but by the Commission, which is appointed, not elected. 

‘The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal (from the Commission), or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but, in line with the case law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it’. 

So the European Parliament is just a toothless talking shop and a waste of fucking time.

I agree about a need to change our system though, the House of Lords needs to be swept away for a start.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Guff, David - now Lord - Frost negotiated our exit from the EU. Nobody elected him, he was appointed, yet he had a seat in the cabinet. Now he’s a Lord and can shape all of our futures and he’s still not elected.

How many unelected Tory donors have had laws or planning decisions bent in their favour - over-ruling actual elected politicos - for a pitiful few thousand thrown into CCHQ coffers. Right now Portsmouth City Council’s decision to reject Alexander Temerko’s power cable link to Calais is being undermined by his donations to 34 tory MPs.

Farage has never been elected (despite his seven attempts) yet here we all are, living out his idiot fantasy.

[BilltheCat]

Nothing to see

Excellent!

I won't bother then.

[Ain’t got a Danny]

This country needs to step out of the 14th century and become a republic. Get rid of the Lords too. No US style President though.