[Bluestow]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

Evidence or just your opinion?

[Smirnoffexpress]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

Evidence or just your opinion?

Look at his political alliegences.

[DeepBlue]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

No, he doesn't represent train drivers - they are mostly members of ASLEF (which is exclusively a train drivers union) with only a minority members of RMT.  Which is why using drivers wages in the calculation of the average railworkers wage is misleading to say the least. 

RMT represents the track workers, station staff, signalmen, train crew, ticket office staff (the ones they want to get rid off completely),  cleaners, rolling stock maintenance etc.  And most underground staff. 

And you are right it's not really about wages. It's more about fighting job losses, maintianing safety on the railways, and protecting the pensions they want to cut to pay for the lockdown handouts to the railways.  Why should the average often low-paid workers refund that to the government rather than the railway companies ?

[Pompeyg100]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

No, he doesn't represent train drivers - they are mostly members of ASLEF (which is exclusively a train drivers union) with only a minority members of RMT.  Which is why using drivers wages in the calculation of the average railworkers wage is misleading to say the least. 

RMT represents the track workers, station staff, signalmen, train crew, ticket office staff (the ones they want to get rid off completely),  cleaners, rolling stock maintenance etc.  And most underground staff. 

And you are right it's not really about wages. It's more about fighting job losses, maintianing safety on the railways, and protecting the pensions they want to cut to pay for the lockdown handouts to the railways.  Why should the average often low-paid workers refund that to the government rather than the railway companies ?

Sorry but it isn’t about safety, it’s about keeping their jobs.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

“a bully, a loud mouth and a liar”

You’ve described the government there. But we’re hardwired to be deferential to a posh voice - we just are, so they get away with it. Mick Lynch has taken a pair of pliers to that reasoning.

[DeepBlue]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

No, he doesn't represent train drivers - they are mostly members of ASLEF (which is exclusively a train drivers union) with only a minority members of RMT.  Which is why using drivers wages in the calculation of the average railworkers wage is misleading to say the least. 

RMT represents the track workers, station staff, signalmen, train crew, ticket office staff (the ones they want to get rid off completely),  cleaners, rolling stock maintenance etc.  And most underground staff. 

And you are right it's not really about wages. It's more about fighting job losses, maintianing safety on the railways, and protecting the pensions they want to cut to pay for the lockdown handouts to the railways.  Why should the average often low-paid workers refund that to the government rather than the railway companies ?

Sorry but it isn’t about safety, it’s about keeping their jobs.

Which is why I put fighting job losses first ????  You make that sound like a bad thing.

 But many of those jobs (guards on trains, track repairers, coach maintenance etc are dirrectly linked to passenger safety .

[bluetagagain]

“a bully, a loud mouth and a liar”

You’ve described the government there. But we’re hardwired to be deferential to a posh voice - we just are, so they get away with it. Mick Lynch has taken a pair of pliers to that reasoning.

Your correct of course, this also applies to Boris, Patel etc.

[exgaffer]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

No, he doesn't represent train drivers - they are mostly members of ASLEF (which is exclusively a train drivers union) with only a minority members of RMT.  Which is why using drivers wages in the calculation of the average railworkers wage is misleading to say the least. 

RMT represents the track workers, station staff, signalmen, train crew, ticket office staff (the ones they want to get rid off completely),  cleaners, rolling stock maintenance etc.  And most underground staff. 

And you are right it's not really about wages. It's more about fighting job losses, maintianing safety on the railways, and protecting the pensions they want to cut to pay for the lockdown handouts to the railways.  Why should the average often low-paid workers refund that to the government rather than the railway companies ?

Sorry but it isn’t about safety, it’s about keeping their jobs.

Which is why I put fighting job losses first ????  You make that sound like a bad thing.

 But many of those jobs (guards on trains, track repairers, coach maintenance etc are dirrectly linked to passenger safety .

I think the debate on keeping guards had been settled (I know it has on SW trains).

So, the real questions are as follows:

1. Are railway salaries poor?

2. Are railway working conditions poor?

3. Is there a good pension scheme for railway workers?

4. Who runs the railways, the operating companies or the Communist leaders of the RMT?

The various safety inspectorates would not allow the railways to employ unsafe practices, so the ‘we’re striking for safety’ line is obviously false.

Pay, working conditions and pensions are the only things the union should be concerning itself with and none of these have deteriorated to the point that strike action is justified. Indeed railway jobs are very attractive and people are not leaving in droves due to exploitation.

The strikes are political pure and simple.

The people suffering at the hands of the union are working people trying to get to work at jobs often paying less than the railway workers, people going to appointments, workers in essential occupations (such as medical workers), people going into cities to spend money and keep the economy moving, tourists who will leave the country with a very jaundiced view and not be in a hurry to return. All this is of little concern to the RMT leaders of course, sitting on their very attractive salary and benefits packages, who’d have thought being a Communist could be so lucrative?

Railway unions should not be able to bring the network to a halt in order to pursue their political aims and I would hope to see legislation to prevent this in the future. Mick Lynch may be a darling of the left, with his swaggering, bullying style, but he was voted into office by a comparatively small number of people and should not be able to hold the country to ransom.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

"but he was voted into office by a comparatively small number of people and should not be able to hold the country to ransom"

72% turn out, 89% voted to strike.

You lot having been telling us for six years now how a 52%-48% is a democratic mandate. Suck it up.

[brian bromley]

"but he was voted into office by a comparatively small number of people and should not be able to hold the country to ransom"

72% turn out, 89% voted to strike.

You lot having been telling us for six years now how a 52%-48% is a democratic mandate. Suck it up.

Would help if you replied to the quote...

[Tufnell_Chimes]

...was it less or more than 160?

Because that's how many it took to seal johnson's canditature as leader. And he's royally fubarred the whole country.

[Pompeyg100]

He's a bully, a loud mouth and a liar plus he doesn't represent the train drivers. He's a wannabe Scargill looking for his day in the sun. Nothing whatsoever to do with wages.

No, he doesn't represent train drivers - they are mostly members of ASLEF (which is exclusively a train drivers union) with only a minority members of RMT.  Which is why using drivers wages in the calculation of the average railworkers wage is misleading to say the least. 

RMT represents the track workers, station staff, signalmen, train crew, ticket office staff (the ones they want to get rid off completely),  cleaners, rolling stock maintenance etc.  And most underground staff. 

And you are right it's not really about wages. It's more about fighting job losses, maintianing safety on the railways, and protecting the pensions they want to cut to pay for the lockdown handouts to the railways.  Why should the average often low-paid workers refund that to the government rather than the railway companies ?

Sorry but it isn’t about safety, it’s about keeping their jobs.

Which is why I put fighting job losses first ????  You make that sound like a bad thing.

 But many of those jobs (guards on trains, track repairers, coach maintenance etc are dirrectly linked to passenger safety .

They could improve safety with new practices and processes but they are blocked by the unions.  Job losses happen unfortunately, you can’t hold the country to ransom over it.

Network Rail are far from perfect and waste incredible amounts of money, unfortunately it’s not run like a business.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Yet last year alone, they were able to hand £500m over to corporate shareholders. Through these dividends the UK is subsidising EU state railway operators.

[Trarchus]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

[Pompeyg100]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

[Bluestow]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

[Pompeyg100]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

"It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media"

This. All day long.

[Smirnoffexpress]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

Your point being what? Surely, first and foremost, most rail workers are exactly the same as you and I. They go out that door everyday to provide for their families, what’s fucking militant about that?

[Bluestow]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

You're just demonstrating a) your ignorance; b) your prejudices

[Pompeyg100]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

Your point being what? Surely, first and foremost, most rail workers are exactly the same as you and I. They go out that door everyday to provide for their families, what’s fucking militant about that?

?

You asked for my evidence, I told you.

I don’t go out on strike and cause utter disruption and further costs because I don’t get my own way.  There’s plenty of jobs out there.

[Pompeyg100]

The truth over the strkes revealled from RMT
Sounds plausible, no reason to doubt it.

https://postimg.cc/0Mg0GdK0

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

You're just demonstrating a) your ignorance; b) your prejudices

And why’s that exactly? Because I have a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways? Interesting.

[Bluestow]

Not sure that holds up as creditable to be honest.

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

You're just demonstrating a) your ignorance; b) your prejudices

And why’s that exactly? Because I have a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways? Interesting.

Because you discounted the veracity of a statement based only on the fact that it came from a railway worker.

[Smirnoffexpress]

With Tory’s and strikes history repeats itself time and time again. Scargill was the bogeyman during the Miners strike, castigated at the time for saying that over 80% of pits would close. He was wrong, it was damn nearly 100% and we are still living with the costs, both socially and economically, today!

[Pompeyg100]

And your evidence is? The changes outlined in that post are exactly as described to me  two weeks ago by a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways. It's all part of the drive to lessen worker's rights and continued dive into zero hour contracts, stuff our grandparents fought against.

It's astonishing how many will turn on their fellow citizens, and fall for the lies of the conservative govt and media. Those people who talk about standing up for ordinary people and against the elite - here's your chance. Everyone loves the hard-working folk until they ask for more money and a bit of respect.

A totally non-militant relative who works on the railways.

You're just demonstrating a) your ignorance; b) your prejudices

And why’s that exactly? Because I have a totally non-militant relative who works on the railways? Interesting.

Because you discounted the veracity of a statement based only on the fact that it came from a railway worker.

No I didn’t at all.