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21-06-2022, 05:20 PM
There'll be a change in government at the next general election.The only question is what will it look like?

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21-06-2022, 05:24 PM
Carnage in basket!

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21-06-2022, 05:56 PM
It will be Labour but there’s certainly no party I could vote for currently.

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21-06-2022, 06:50 PM
Only if they get rid of Starmer, though.

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21-06-2022, 07:12 PM
The Tories are unpopular, but Starmer is more unpopular still. The next parliament will be hung with the dirty Lib-Dems propping up the Tory scum as they did in 2010.

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21-06-2022, 07:16 PM
(21-06-2022, 07:12 PM)Cressers Wrote: The Tories are unpopular, but Starmer is more unpopular still. The next parliament will be hung with the dirty Lib-Dems propping up the Tory scum as they did in 2010.

Would any party want to be associated with them?

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21-06-2022, 07:23 PM
We saw what happened back in 2010. The answer is yes.

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21-06-2022, 07:32 PM
(21-06-2022, 07:23 PM)Cressers Wrote: We saw what happened back in 2010. The answer is yes.

That was then, after the last couple of years their reputation has plummeted. I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if they did and would just show how rotten politics is in this country.

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21-06-2022, 07:33 PM
Tories,small or no majority

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21-06-2022, 07:37 PM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2022, 07:39 PM by Tufnell_Chimes.)
Lib-Lab coalition. Plus a couple from the greens.

Public enquiry into tories’ tenure. Proportional Representation. Norway-style EU affiliation. Offshore banking transparency.
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21-06-2022, 08:29 PM
Such is the state of politics in this country, it will probably be a small Tory majority. Unless Labour selects a leader and a front bench more to the liking of the bigoted white working class voters it used to rely on.

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21-06-2022, 08:57 PM
(21-06-2022, 07:37 PM)Tufnell_Chimes Wrote: Lib-Lab coalition. Plus a couple from the greens.

Public enquiry into tories’ tenure. Proportional Representation. Norway-style EU affiliation. Offshore banking transparency.

Lib Lab Green government, yeah that’ll work ffs.

People think they are hard done by now, that kind of government would take us back to the Stone Age.

Oh yes and another pointless, expensive, virtue signalling public enquiry. What a great use of the public funds we don’t fecking have.

Give me strength.

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21-06-2022, 09:04 PM
Surely the SNP and that gobsh1te will want to be involved too.

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21-06-2022, 09:15 PM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2022, 09:21 PM by Tufnell_Chimes.)
Guff, aren’t you the perfect little helper. No wonder the money class continually fuck us over. If you haven’t noticed there was plenty of money for newly formed companies delivering useless PPE.

Oh yeah, and this

Tell you what, you say you’re not a tory, so go ahead and criticise them - I dare yer.

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21-06-2022, 10:53 PM
(21-06-2022, 09:15 PM)Tufnell_Chimes Wrote: Guff, aren’t you the perfect little helper. No wonder the money class continually fuck us over. If you haven’t noticed there was plenty of money for newly formed companies delivering useless PPE.

Oh yeah, and this

Tell you what, you say you’re not a tory, so go ahead and criticise them - I dare yer.

I dare you? Wtf is this, the playground?

You and your ilk are the ones doing the donkey work for the globalist billionaires by going meekly along with all  their dehumanising schemes and supporting the fucking EU. Have you had a look at the pampered money class in Brussels living the high life on the backs of the working people of Europe? Or the globalist billionaires at the World Economic Forum who all just love the EU because it helps their scheme to keep us all poor while they float round in their limousines and private jets.

I did nothing but criticise the government while they were spunking money we didn’t have on furlough money, support schemes and, yes, ppe that we didn’t need and was useless anyway. If the fucking Labour Party had been in power we would have been locked down harder and longer and would have borrowed even more money.

I hate the whole stinking mess of government as it is currently constituted and that includes the Tories (well most of them anyway). I voted for them because they were the only party willing to uphold the Brexit vote (which I seem to have said a thousand times). They have sadly made a pig’s ear of the job because they lacked the bottle to do it properly.

If you think a Labour, Liberal Democrat, Green alliance will get us anywhere but the poor house you a living in a fool’s paradise. They have all shown their utter contempt for the votes of the people of this country and I despise them for that. Smug, condescending twats the lot of them.

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22-06-2022, 06:37 AM
Those billionaires in limousines, they voted Brexit too. And unlike you, they actually got a tangible benefit - that was the whole point of it. Nothing else about it would ever, and will ever, work.

And the playground comment, have you forgotten that you’re the one usually throwing the cretin and moron comments out of their pram. Have a nice day.

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22-06-2022, 09:52 AM
Cannot see a Lib Dem Tory coalition going ahead again after the the way the Lib Dems were slaughtered at the subsequent election last time. I doubt they'll make that mistake again.

Possibly a small Labour majority government but with more tactical voting coming to the fore I strongly suspect we'll see an uneasy Labour led coalition of Labour, Lib Dem, SNP and potentially a couple of Greens. It would be interesting to see how a multi party coalition would work out, perhaps not the disaster some think. Can't possibly be worse than the reactive, week to week policy shambles we have now.

In that scenario I'd expect some kind of concession on voting or having a referendum on the PR voting system. Possibly, although doubtful, a commitment on a further referendum on EU membership.
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22-06-2022, 11:47 AM
PR system from my personal experience is shite. Look at the mess NI is in. All you end up with is power sharing/ hung parliaments

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22-06-2022, 11:57 AM (This post was last modified: 22-06-2022, 11:58 AM by teeftwo.)
(22-06-2022, 11:47 AM)bluetagagain Wrote: PR system from my personal experience is shite. Look at the mess NI is in. All you end up with is power sharing/ hung parliaments

Have you lived in Denmark, Finland, Norway or Sweden then? The general populace there seems reasonably content. It is the most used voting system in the world.

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22-06-2022, 03:00 PM
No have you? but I have lived in Northern Ireland we’re IMO and having first hand evidence of it , is that it’s shite.
What’s your well travelled opinion ?

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22-06-2022, 03:05 PM
(22-06-2022, 03:00 PM)bluetagagain Wrote: No have you? but I have lived in Northern Ireland we’re IMO and having first hand evidence of it , is that it’s shite.
What’s your well travelled opinion ?

I think Northern Ireland is probably an outlier in this regard due to absolute hatred between the two sides based on religion and the single Ireland/split Ireland argumnt. Frankly they both need to grow up for the sake of the populace.

In other places it works well because this level of animosity does not exist.
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22-06-2022, 03:07 PM
Yeah they could start an argument in solitary confinement.

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22-06-2022, 03:42 PM
There was a referendum on PR in 2011 as part of the Tory-Lib Dem coalition agreement.
The proposal was defeated by 2/1.

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22-06-2022, 04:49 PM
There are vastly more than 2 parties in NI ( in fact there's too many).

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22-06-2022, 05:44 PM
(22-06-2022, 03:42 PM)Cressers Wrote: There was a referendum on PR in 2011 as part of the Tory-Lib Dem coalition agreement.
The proposal was defeated by  2/1.

I believe you have, in modern parliamentary parlance, mis-spoke there Cressers. Feel free to withdraw the comment.

The vote in 2011 was on the Alternative Vote (AV) system which is most definitely not Proportional Representation but entirely different. The AV system proposed then still geographically linked all the votes into their current constituencies, just using a ranking system instead to make a decision if a candidate did not have an outright majority.

PR, as you know, takes into account all the votes in the country before apportioning seats.
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