[exterminator]

Ex, I was a middle child so I got pretty much fuck all.

You must be the last of the Brexit fanboys - your stubborn support of the cause would be admirable if it wasn’t so tragic. Even Farage is mimicking the Homer/hedge meme hiding away on YouTube selling penny stocks. This time next year admitting you voted for Brexit will be like the inverse of claiming you saw the Pistols at the 100 Club. Nobody voted for it, yet here it is.

Apart from both supporting PFC, middle child syndrome is probably the only thing we have in common Duffers 

As yet, which is the same for most, being out has made no difference to daily life whatsoever. The biggest benefit is not giving ££££€m every day/week/year to support those 18  lame duck countries that don't pay in to the European Useless budget. 

Onwards and Upwards !!!!!

[muschi]

Plenty of other benefits, many of the Romanian taxi drivers have gone home, it's great to get a cabbie who can get from QA to Havant without needing a sat nav. Did we ever need to import taxi drivers? Local cabbies are very happy.

A certain shop in Havant has closed it feels safe to walk past it now without squeezing through the thugs who decorated the doorway. 

So less strain on local services.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Its not all leather boots and funny moustaches

[exterminator]

Plenty of other benefits, many of the Romanian taxi drivers have gone home, it's great to get a cabbie who can get from QA to Havant without needing a sat nav. Did we ever need to import taxi drivers? Local cabbies are very happy.

A mate of mine told me about these Romanian Taxi Drivers, he said a lot of them had good skilled jobs in Romania, but the pay was awful.

They came over here but the EU didn't recognise the qualifications they had so they had to take unskilled jobs which still paid better than their jobs at home.  With all the money now being poured in to Romania from the EU(not from us anymore) their "skilled" jobs are slowly becoming better paid so they are going back, a similar thing happened about 10/15 yrs ago with the Polish workers.

As you say Muschi there are a lot of happy cabbies out there now.

[muschi]

There may be some truth in that story ex but there has been a mass exodus since the implementation period ended. Take a look at the asda car park and you will see many taxis left there. Mainly in the last month as brexit changes started to bite, plus of course some influence of cov19 hitting taxi uses.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Flag-makers unite! we're going full Albert Speer here:

Flags, flags, flags

We used to hold a certain level of global respect, the world thought we were a bit on the dull side, poor diet, bad teeth, but generally organised and fair-minded, with a good sense of humour. What happened? where is this going?

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Onwards and Upwards !!!!!

Facts not feelings

[Smirnoffexpress]

Point one, I love St Hubert’s church at Idsworth, having had an attachment to it since early childhood.

Point two, the wages for skilled workers in Poland and Romania have not risen significantly in the time that both countries have been members of our old community. The fact that being in the EU was not working in driving up wages in most member states was another reason I voted out. Record youth unemployment in Spain, Italy and Greece. An inability to use the structure of the EU to drive up wages in the eastern member countries for working class people, despite billions apparently being invested back into those countries. Most of that money being German or British in origin. Whatever the intended aims and objectives of the political elite within the EU, it did not appear to be their aim to drive up wages at the sharp end.

In voting to leave and actually forcing our own political elite to honour the result of the referendum and actually leave ( despite a real majority in the Houses of Parliament resisting at every opportunity) we will prosper as we already have for thousands of years.

[exgaffer]

Point one, I love St Hubert’s church at Idsworth, having had an attachment to it since early childhood.

Point two, the wages for skilled workers in Poland and Romania have not risen significantly in the time that both countries have been members of our old community. The fact that being in the EU was not working in driving up wages in most member states was another reason I voted out. Record youth unemployment in Spain, Italy and Greece. An inability to use the structure of the EU to drive up wages in the eastern member countries for working class people, despite billions apparently being invested back into those countries. Most of that money being German or British in origin. Whatever the intended aims and objectives of the political elite within the EU, it did not appear to be their aim to drive up wages at the sharp end.

In voting to leave and actually forcing our own political elite to honour the result of the referendum and actually leave ( despite a real majority in the Houses of Parliament resisting at every opportunity) we will prosper as we already have for thousands of years.

Well said Smirns.    

Tuffers you are not persuading anyone that we’d be better off in the EU.

Every day they display their incompetence and demonstrate the lengths they will go to in order to prop up their failed project.

There are now far more people in favour of Brexit than there were before we left.

Their latest threat to block vaccine exports shows them in their true colours. Not interested in trade, supply chains, friendship with their neighbours. Solely interested in creating a European super state which will benefit only the Brussels bureaucrats.

I am ecstatic that we are no longer in their clutches and, if it was up to me, would not pay them another penny piece until they drop their threats.

We are out, get used to it ffs

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Not so confident of Point 3. Its not all been rosy in those thousands of years. Of course the political elite honoured it, suddenly they have no oversight and can do as they please. Just this week they've agreed to break away from the EU rule banning importing goods from overseas industries using child labour.

Fair point on Point 2, but surely most of the responsibility for wage growth lies within each member country not the EU as a whole - new entrants and second tier countries (not the best term) should have to demonstrate some fiscal discipline and investment before full membership - something we now have no influence over. And the Erasmus programme was an affordable point of entry to all european students, unlike our newly-created, much less afordable, Turing alternative.

If churches were movie stars, St Hubert's would be an A-lister. Its position on the rise of the hill, the little narrow bridge over the watermeadow, the patina of that 600yr old mural.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Oh and here's Guff

Have you not noticed what type of government you're currently living under? One that has a VIP lane for funnelling public money to their mates and donors. One that can lie to parliament and the Queen. One where ministers can be found guilty of misconduct in office and yet retain their cabinet positions. One where incompetence is tolerated just as long as they support the failed and continually failing Brexit project. One where a small joke about flags invites a social pile-on; and the Director General is criticised by some no-mark MP for not having enough flags in its annual report. Just yesterday our government voted against supporting homeowners that had unwittingly bought flats with Grenfell-type cladding and are now facing bankruptcy, the tories voted to protect the developers.

The threat to block vaccine exports is just the action you'd applaud if it were being manufactured here and sent to Europe. That's the mantra of Taking Back Control.

"There are now far more people in favour of Brexit than there were before we left." would be really interested to see your source for this claim Gaff. Here's one that I found:
More people don't like it

You may not like the EU, but it was a bigger friend to you than the tories ever will be.

[Smirnoffexpress]

Tuffers old boy. On Brexit you and I will never agree but we can agree to disagree while still respecting the others right to hold a different opinion. There is no absolute right or wrong in this debate. Brexit, however, highlighted the biggest problem we have as a society. We, all of us, have lost the ability to discuss or debate most matters without it becoming a cockfight. Everything has become so angry and hate filled. It has reached the point where “winning” the argument is more important than what the argument or debate is about. Compromise has always served us best. Polarisation such as we see within Society nowadays on so many issues will be our downfall if it is not addressed and soon. Closed minds ultimately lead to totalitarianism.

As for St Hubert’s, it is in fact 9th century. As wonderful as it undoubtedly is, it should be seen as merely the diamond in the ring. The ring in which it sits is the landscape. Some Saxon wells nearby defy belief and the whole river valley in which it sits is steeped in history.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Smirns, if we were living in a fair society with a focus on social equality and maximising the potential of everyone living here. Where our political class were drawn from experience and knowledge; and transparent in their dealings I'd have much less of an issue with a post-Brexit Britain. But in reality, its cemented a government whose agenda is against the interests of the rest of the country.

I wasn't suggesting St H was that age, but I believe the mural is 14th Century.

[exterminator]

The problem that you have Tuffers is that no government whether left wing or right wing will have an agenda which is acceptable to "the other side".

Whether you like it or not the electorate vote for the party that is going to do the least damage to their interests.

St Huberts/St Peters https://www.hampshire-history.com/st-hub...-idsworth/

All the time you have any party putting up extreme left or right wing potential governments they have no chance of being elected.

Hence why Corbyn failed, and in the past Foot failed and other extremists will fail in the future.

[Smirnoffexpress]

As I say, compromise. If the EU had compromised on a few issues we would still be in. Tory/labour, left/right have outlived their usefulness. The two party, polar opposite, political system has been dead in the water for decades. We need an alternative and one free of the old dogmas. For a century the two party system (with the odd bit of Liberal Party input) served its purpose. It was pressure valve politics. Go to far one way and you could release the pressure by selecting the other alternative. As our Society has developed party politics have not adapted.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

And if Cameron hadn't decided on Day 1 of his premiership to form a group with far right element of the EU he could have achieved those compromises. But that's all opportunities chucked down the river now.

Trouble with FPTP is it clearly benefits the party in power, so there's little will to change it. When the LibDem demanded the AV referendum as part of the coalition, it was downplayed so much hardly anyone knew it was even happening. Its the dominance of the SNP in Scotland that us screwed us as a democracy operating under first past the post. Unless there's some pre-election pact between Labour and SNP (and the SNP is not idealogically left wing) the split of the left of centre vote is too great. To the right of centre there's the tories and whatever brand of UKIP is being peddled that year, to the left its fractured.

And Ex, I don't agree, we've had a couple of extreme right governments - its the floaty middle 15% that decide elections and they tend to vote for the personality of the leader - you may as well say Hague failed and Michael Howard failed, Cameron needed the LibDems to get over the line. For a leader that was vilified going into the 2017 election Corbyn took 30 extra seats and pushed May into a hung parliament, so there was obviously something about him people liked.

[Smirnoffexpress]

A good few in the SNP are old Labour and many of those appear to be anti English rather than anti Westminster. Bigots r us.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Yup, the SNP are like a more developed UKIP - they're only interested in independence. Be interesting to see what they become once they've achieved it.

[Smirnoffexpress]

The future for the Scottish people under the SNP is something to be very worried about. Apart from fueling the anti English sentiment what else do they bring to the table. They could not be trusted to run a whelk stall and their near, unchallenged monopoly on power isn’t that far from totalitarianism if not facism. Democracy within the U.K. has stalled, having gone backwards over the last three decades rather than forward. We need to start finding our own solutions as the present bunch of career politicians are incapable of recognising the problems, let alone having solutions.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

I thought uk migrants in Spain voting with Farage was a bit of a myth. But apparently there are people that stupid. Step forward Shaun Cromber...

“ Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain

Another returning at Malaga airport today was Shaun Cromber who despite voting for Britain to leave the EU, didn’t believe it would end his Spanish lifestyle, he said: ” Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.”

[Jezzer]

I'll match your Shaun and raise you a Judy.

Frustrated Bexiteer Judy called LBC from the Costa del Sol to complain about empty shelves at her local British supermarket. She blames Spain for not letting the goods through fast enough.  
"There's almost nothing left. The shelves are empty. At this rate we'll end up eating Spanish food."

As they say in Spain, sin comentarios

[exterminator]

It is all being revealed now Tuffers .....

The EU has been shocked at the rapid progress Britain has made in signing trade deals around the world and is still feeling "humiliated" that the UK left the bloc. Critics also point out that the UK and AstraZeneca are also being attacked as a result of the Commission’s own failures in ensuring a proper rollout of the lockdown across the bloc.

"This is an organisation that has always expanded and brought more people in and for the first
time to have your second biggest net contributor essentially leave the club is a problem" said a senior minister who deals with his counterparts in the EU (European Useless) each week.

The senior minister added: “I think they are also alarmed at the speed of the trade deals coming into the UK. “One of the most revealing things that has been said was when Ursulka von der Leyen said the UK was like a speed boat and the EU was like a supertanker!!

Stand by for the excuses from Tuffers the Duffer and his fellow Re****ers........ Incoming !!

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Ex, those trade deals - they already existed. They’re the same deals we had before Jan 1st. The Japanese one is not quite as good as before because they stipulated that their relationship with the EU is their priority, so any bilateral trade that conflicts with the EU would see us disadvantaged. That may also apply to the other deals, but I could ‘t say for sure.

Our trade with the EU was worth £440bn. Add the £215bn we’ve spent on exiting the EU gives us a debt of approximately £655bn. If you wish to continue this line of argument, you’re going to need to demonstrate a trading relationship either equal to, or greater than, this figure.

Its your move.

[exterminator]

You are so full of sh!t Duffers, from the Gov.Uk Website :- https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-an...-agreement

The UK–Japan Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA) is the first deal that the UK has struck as an independent trading nation. a British-shaped deal that goes beyond the existing EU agreement, securing bespoke benefits for British businesses and citizens.

You don't know anything, so stop trying to bullsh!t that your "porkies" may apply to other deals as well.

We will be fine without European Useless - get used to it !!

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Fullfact

And this:
Same as before

Or this:
Same old, same o

If you’re really going to try and justify that £655bn, you’re going to need a bigger shovel.