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28-10-2024, 11:43 AM
I have been, and will remain a supporter of the Eisners - for saving the club, making pragmatic decisions regarding the infrastructure, and things like the new Tv gantry.

Yes, I know there will be (very) many who will criticise them re the academy, reserve team funding etc, etc. However, in my view we are better of than very many teams in very many aspects - compared to where we were. 

However, it would be nice to read a morale boosting tweet on their plans going forward - particularly JANUARY.
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28-10-2024, 12:16 PM
I'm guessing the next phase is the bridge and planning for the new mega norf-stand.
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28-10-2024, 12:28 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2024, 12:28 PM by Prickles.)
I'm looking forward to the QR code queue pass that's coming out for the Milton Kingdom turnstiles

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28-10-2024, 12:53 PM
(28-10-2024, 11:43 AM)firqdays Wrote: I have been, and will remain a supporter of the Eisners - for saving the club, making pragmatic decisions regarding the infrastructure, and things like the new Tv gantry.

Yes, I know there will be (very) many who will criticise them re the academy, reserve team funding etc, etc. However, in my view we are better of than very many teams in very many aspects - compared to where we were. 

However, it would be nice to read a morale boosting tweet on their plans going forward - particularly JANUARY.

"for saving the club"??
That was us the fans!! Lets not try & re-write recent ish history.
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28-10-2024, 12:57 PM
Fair to say we needed saving twice and did one each.

We all know the one we did.

They got us through Covid and headed off H&S capacity reductions playing at a 10,000 seater naming rights Total AV Stadium previously known as Fratton Park monstrosity.
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28-10-2024, 12:59 PM
Think they are hopeful of the football regulator

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28-10-2024, 04:08 PM
Plenty of good things about the Eisners and I believe Pompey are safe in their hands. All of their capital investment would be recouped if they sold as they represent safe ways to increase the value of the club. They have also indicated their preferred way of operating i.e. buy young, promising players, improve them and sell them on at a profit. Probably as safe an approach as you can take when buying players. However, the weakness in this approach is clear and is a major contributory factor in why we sit bottom of the Championship. We need players with experience of this or the Premiership to survive at this level and that represents a significant, and risky, investment. I hope the Eisner family are prepared to sign two or three such players in January unless it is already too late. Relegation represents a significant financial impact too, so personally, I hope the Eisners demonstrate they are prepared to step outside their risk adverse approach as we move towards the window.
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28-10-2024, 04:20 PM
(28-10-2024, 12:57 PM)slayer Wrote: Fair to say we needed saving twice and did one each.

We all know the one we did.

They got us through Covid and headed off H&S capacity reductions playing at a 10,000 seater naming rights Total AV Stadium previously known as Fratton Park monstrosity.

I don't agree with that. Afaik we were never close to going bust under the PST/Presidents. Using covid which was completely unforeseen & came 3 yrs after the sale seems a stretch as well. No clubs went bust because of it, why would we have?
The crux of it was we couldn't generate the money needed to sort the stands out unless the Presidents put their hands in their pockets again which was diluting the share % of the PST.
That does not equate to needed saving!
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28-10-2024, 04:33 PM
Blueboolox you added,

"for saving the club"??
That was us the fans!! Lets not try & re-write recent ish history.

Yes, I do rightly know that Blue, I was one of that number - ( my name is on the plaque with my son)

However, I do not think that the PST could have sustained the club, conducted large scale and essential ground safety improvements, and I don't think that Covid was so much of an issue, as much as H&S.
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28-10-2024, 04:48 PM
(28-10-2024, 04:33 PM)firqdays Wrote: Blueboolox you added,

"for saving the club"??
That was us the fans!! Lets not try & re-write recent ish history.

Yes, I do rightly know that Blue, I was one of that number -  ( my name is on the plaque with my son)

However, I do not think that the PST could have sustained the club, conducted large scale and essential ground safety improvements, and I don't think that Covid was so much of an issue, as much as H&S.

Still doesn't equate to needed saving.
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28-10-2024, 04:55 PM
It's one that requires looking a few steps ahead, hypothetical situation. Presidents said they had put their chips in and it was Tiofsys once a season from that point.

The fans were never fixing three stands and the loss of revenue from COVID would have been a disaster.

2020 books are a public document.
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07-11-2024, 10:37 AM
The eisners have never said no when approached by the recruitment team when trying to sign a player.

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07-11-2024, 10:39 AM
Saving the club?

When was that?

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07-11-2024, 11:35 AM
We have a promise from Michael EISNER,

" ....we are not going to be relegated . Period "

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07-11-2024, 11:38 AM
(07-11-2024, 11:35 AM)firqdays Wrote: We have a promise from Michael EISNER,

" ....we are not going to be relegated . Period "

My PMT starts every time we play at the moment.
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07-11-2024, 11:41 AM
(07-11-2024, 11:38 AM)briefcase_wanchor Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 11:35 AM)firqdays Wrote: We have a promise from Michael EISNER,

" ....we are not going to be relegated . Period "

My PMT starts every time we play at the moment.

They are going to have to sign some big players then

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07-11-2024, 02:54 PM
(07-11-2024, 10:37 AM)Daniel Wrote: The eisners have never said no when approached by the recruitment team when trying to sign a player.

Makes you question the ambition of the recruitment team when you hear that.
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07-11-2024, 03:45 PM
There's some wonderful observations on this particular thread and I'd like to pick off most of them one by one.
Thanking them for saving the Club?! What nonsense. The situation was that under the Trust that we weren't capable of moving forward and they represented some kind of investment even though at the time we didn't know that that was going to be spread out of nearly eight years. Covid? How many clubs went bust and disappeared during Covid...none, let's have it right.
Their risk adverse approach based on the failing sustainability model eventually succeeded in League One whereas in the Championship is a completely different kettle of fish! We're the poor people of the Championship with the billionaire owner. We need something more than just capital investment to 'tart up' two old stands and rebuild one little stand mainly for away supporters until we're back in League One.
The failure to create a larger playing pool combined with a functioning academy to create a reserve side competing in a league structure with other Championship/League One clubs is a disgrace and indicative of the fact that there has never been any proper planning for the future. We were consistently told by Mark Catlin and latterly AC that we would only go up when were ready, perhaps some should have explained that aim to JM. As for the policy of bringing in young players, improve them and sell them on can anyone give me recent example because I'm struggling unless you include loan players like Kamara or Robertson.
ME states that we are not going to be relegated. What evidence he bases that on is anyone's guess but I think it is unlikely to be his knowledge of English football. Perhaps Andy Cullen should take him to one side and explain very carefully that come the end of the season the three teams with the least number of points are relegated and the number of points we're going to need to be in the final shake up...it's more than ten! The bookies (rarely wrong) already make us odds on to go down and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find many fans who think we genuinely stand any chance of staying up.
All in all a very sad situation but I will always support them and I'll be there Saturday hoping desperately we can come up with a home win before Xmas.
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07-11-2024, 04:30 PM
(07-11-2024, 03:45 PM)blueandwight Wrote: There's some wonderful observations on this particular thread and I'd like to pick off most of them one by one.
Thanking them for saving the Club?! What nonsense. The situation was that under the Trust that we weren't capable of moving forward and they represented some kind of investment even though at the time we didn't know that that was going to be spread out of nearly eight years. Covid? How many clubs went bust and disappeared during Covid...none, let's have it right.
Their risk adverse approach based on the failing sustainability model eventually succeeded in League One whereas in the Championship is a completely different kettle of fish! We're the poor people of the Championship with the billionaire owner. We need something more than just capital investment to 'tart up' two old stands and rebuild one little stand mainly for away supporters until we're back in League One.
The failure to create a larger playing pool combined with a functioning academy to create a reserve side competing in a league structure with other Championship/League One clubs is a disgrace and indicative of the fact that there has never been any proper planning for the future. We were consistently told by Mark Catlin and latterly AC that we would only go up when were ready, perhaps some should have explained that aim to JM. As for the policy of bringing in young players, improve them and sell them on can anyone give me recent example because I'm struggling unless you include loan players like Kamara or Robertson.
ME states that we are not going to be relegated. What evidence he bases that on is anyone's guess but I think it is unlikely to be his knowledge of English football. Perhaps Andy Cullen should take him to one side and explain very carefully that come the end of the season the three teams with the least number of points are relegated and the number of points we're going to need to be in the final shake up...it's more than ten! The bookies (rarely wrong) already make us odds on to go down and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find many fans who think we genuinely stand any chance of staying up.
All in all a very sad situation but I will always support them and I'll be there Saturday hoping desperately we can come up with a home win before Xmas.

Pretty much Spot On Blue. The Trust were hampered for extra finance moving forward. The Eisners provided that to speed up things albeit they bought the club for peanuts. 

They had to do the work on the stands to obtain a new H&S certificate. They obviously decided this was the cheaper option than building a new ground. The infrastuctuture wasn't in place & this should have been directed by MC then AC. We've gone for the cheaper option of buying in young players & trying to develop them which is failing badly. We should have own own Cat 2 academy & U21/23 team to develop our own talent. 

The main problem I believe is that ME has relied on these two for advice which has been failing. He really needed to speak to other championship level CEOs like Stephen Hargreaves from Bristol City who would have given him a blueprint to follow.

 Somehow, we need to reach the January transfer window without being totally cut off from the rest. Then invest in at least 4 Championship experienced players. 

JM who is still learning on the job needs to catch up fast on tactics.
I'm also there on Saturday & hoping a few lessons have been learned & we can finally get a Home win!
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07-11-2024, 05:26 PM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2024, 05:27 PM by Slagger.)
Americans have great difficulty understanding the concept of relegation. I refer to Chuck Culpepper’s book Up Pompey where he writes about this at some length.

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07-11-2024, 05:28 PM
Does anyone actually support them?

Or is it more a sort of servile scyphophancy where we stroke the ego of our overlords because we otherwise fear their malevolence?
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07-11-2024, 05:51 PM
(07-11-2024, 05:28 PM)slayer Wrote: Does anyone actually support them?

Or is it more a sort of servile scyphophancy where we stroke the ego of our overlords because we otherwise fear their malevolence?

It seems to be to some,that they are beyond criticism no matter what, probably blinded by the myth that they saved the club and got us through covid,still waiting for a league club to go bust because of covid.

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07-11-2024, 06:08 PM
They should sell if they aren't prepared to invest in the squad.
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07-11-2024, 06:08 PM
(07-11-2024, 05:51 PM)Roybatty Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 05:28 PM)slayer Wrote: Does anyone actually support them?

Or is it more a sort of servile scyphophancy where we stroke the ego of our overlords because we otherwise fear their malevolence?

It seems to be to some,that they are beyond criticism no matter what, probably blinded by the myth that they saved the club and got us through covid,still waiting for a league club to go bust because of covid.

I support them. 

They've done more for the infrastructure than any other owner in my lifetime. We have a training ground in the city that keeps getting improved upon. 
They have always spent reasonable amounts of cash on players. 
They have a clear plan that is realistic and are sticking to it. They are sensible owners. 

It seems a lot on here want the crazy stuff that goes on at clubs like Cardiff where the owners act on emotions, lending the club money they don't generate to splash on players the manager wants, only to sack him after 2 defeats and start again.
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07-11-2024, 06:54 PM
(07-11-2024, 06:08 PM)Smellybelly Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 05:51 PM)Roybatty Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 05:28 PM)slayer Wrote: Does anyone actually support them?

Or is it more a sort of servile scyphophancy where we stroke the ego of our overlords because we otherwise fear their malevolence?

It seems to be to some,that they are beyond criticism no matter what, probably blinded by the myth that they saved the club and got us through covid,still waiting for a league club to go bust because of covid.

I support them. 

They've done more for the infrastructure than any other owner in my lifetime. We have a training ground in the city that keeps getting improved upon. 
They have always spent reasonable amounts of cash on players. 
They have a clear plan that is realistic and are sticking to it. They are sensible owners. 

It seems a lot on here want the crazy stuff that goes on at clubs like Cardiff where the owners act on emotions, lending the club money they don't generate to splash on players the manager wants, only to sack him after 2 defeats and start again.

They’ve spent peanuts on players for a championship club

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