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#1
28-10-2024, 05:23 PM
Schmind - Sat on bench for 10 weeks - jury out.
Archer- Thrown in at the deep end, swimming well.

Williams - Struggled when not at right back.
Farrell - One match, needs developing physically.
Bowat - Injured as soon as arrived.

Kamara- Hardly seen, why?
Potts - Will cope with step-up from Lg1 eventually.
Swann - loaned to H&W to sit on bench.
Dozzell - Played a lot better without Pack hindering
Ritchie - Huge disappointment.
Murphy - Injured constantly - doesn't appear up  for fight.  

Silvera - One footed pointless loan, send back in Jan
Sorensen - Appears totally out of his depth.
Blair - Needs loaning out to develop.
O'Mahoney - Unfair to expect a lot  when19yr old up against Championship hardened defenders 

Doesn't look good on paper when 3rd choice keeper seems the best signing.
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28-10-2024, 06:03 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2024, 06:04 PM by Prickles.)
Hit (arguably improvements on last year)

Schmid
Archer
Dozell
Murphy
OMahony

Miss (arguably weaker)

Williams
Farrell
Sorensen

Utter flops

Ritchie
Blair
Silvera

Fuck knows

Bowat
Kamara

Completely pointless

Swan

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28-10-2024, 06:17 PM
Who's Swan?

Maybe too early for Blair, I think we need to work out how to use him.
Farrell won't know til he's fit.
Potts, ok I think
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28-10-2024, 06:18 PM
Not one of them has set the world alight. Just looking at the list reeks of panic buying and buying a load of dross . Get what we deserve I’m afraid which probably is an instant return to L1.
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28-10-2024, 06:21 PM
Some of the youngsters will improve if played, if any can do that as much as Kamara last season, they will at least be worth a bob or two.

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28-10-2024, 07:58 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2024, 07:59 PM by exterminator.)
(28-10-2024, 06:17 PM)Hammie Wrote: Who's Swan?

Maybe too early for Blair, I think we need to work out how to use him.
Farrell won't know til he's fit.
Potts, ok I think

Rueben Swann bought from AFC Sudbury  has been loaned to H&W but ex-kitman Sean North only uses him from the subs bench.
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29-10-2024, 11:46 AM
(28-10-2024, 06:03 PM)slayer Wrote: Hit (arguably improvements on last year)

Schmid
Archer
Dozell
Murphy
OMahony

Miss (arguably weaker)

Williams
Farrell
Sorensen

Utter flops

Ritchie
Blair
Silvera

Fuck knows

Bowat
Kamara

Completely pointless

Swan

How can it be completely pointless to sign a promising young player and send him out on loan ? 

How can you regard Farrell as a miss when he has only played one game and did very well in that one game ? 

For me the only real disappointment has been Silvera. He's had plenty of chances and not delivered. Blair is young enough to improve and hasn't had many  minutes on the pitch, and Sorensen was only bought as cover but has had to play a lot more than expected due to the injury to Yengi - again there is improvement to be found there as he adapts to the english game.  

Ritchie's contribution has been limited so far, but we know how good a player he is and he will surely deliver more as the season progresses. 

And I'd add Williams nearer to the hit list as long as he plays at right back, not centre back. He was MOTM for me against Oxford, though has not been that good every game.
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29-10-2024, 12:30 PM
Slayer, you missed out Potts
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29-10-2024, 05:16 PM
(29-10-2024, 11:46 AM)DeepBlue Wrote:
(28-10-2024, 06:03 PM)slayer Wrote: Hit (arguably improvements on last year)

Schmid
Archer
Dozell
Murphy
OMahony

Miss (arguably weaker)

Williams
Farrell
Sorensen

Utter flops

Ritchie
Blair
Silvera

Fuck knows

Bowat
Kamara

Completely pointless

Swan

How can it be completely pointless to sign a promising young player and send him out on loan ? 

How can you regard Farrell as a miss when he has only played one game and did very well in that one game ? 

For me the only real disappointment has been Silvera. He's had plenty of chances and not delivered. Blair is young enough to improve and hasn't had many  minutes on the pitch, and Sorensen was only bought as cover but has had to play a lot more than expected due to the injury to Yengi - again there is improvement to be found there as he adapts to the english game.  

Ritchie's contribution has been limited so far, but we know how good a player he is and he will surely deliver more as the season progresses. 

And I'd add Williams nearer to the hit list as long as he plays at right back, not centre back. He was MOTM for me against Oxford, though has not been that good every game.

Blair & Ritchie cannot be flops. Neither have had an opportunity. Kamara is possibly going to be a success, but we don’t know. Dozzell has been steady, he certainly hasn’t deserved the stick he gets. Nor has Williams. Silvera has been poor - Owen Dale anyone? Yengi needs to step up, and we need Shaughnessy back. Not sure on Farrell - only been fit one game FFS.

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30-10-2024, 03:33 PM
My tuppence worth.

Schmid - Not seen enough for a fair assessment but seems OK.
Archer- Ditto- 3rd choice but has done well so far.

Williams - Not an upgrade on Rafferty IMO and not a CB.
Farrell - Looks promising when not injured .
Bowat - I’ll reserve judgement until next season .

Kamara- Seems like he’s got loads of potential but hardly seen, why?
Potts - Not a patch on Robertson but hopefully will improve.
Swann - not ready for the first team ( or even Waterlooville atm)
Dozzell - Apparently has lots of championship experience, pity we haven’t seen it.
Ritchie - Why???
Murphy - So far, inconsistent, needs to learn to back track and be more aggressive, not an upgrade on Kamara- yet.

Silvera - utterly pointless and on the verge of useless loan, send back asap.
Sorensen - Why? We should’ve gone for an experienced older striker
Blair - Needs loaning out to develop.
O'Mahoney - Only 19 but looks promising, however not currently Championship standard IMO
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30-10-2024, 04:04 PM
(30-10-2024, 03:33 PM)bluetagagain Wrote: My tuppence worth.

Schmid - Not seen enough for a fair assessment but seems OK.
Archer- Ditto- 3rd choice but has done well so far.

Williams - Not an upgrade on Rafferty IMO and not a CB.
Farrell - Looks promising when not injured .
Bowat - I’ll reserve judgement until next season .

Kamara- Seems like he’s got loads of potential but hardly seen, why?
Potts - Not a patch on Robertson but hopefully will improve.
Swann - not ready for the first team ( or even Waterlooville atm)
Dozzell - Apparently has lots of championship experience, pity we haven’t seen it.
Ritchie - Why???
Murphy - So far, inconsistent, needs to learn to back track and be more aggressive, not an upgrade on Kamara- yet.

Silvera - utterly pointless and on the verge of useless loan, send back asap.
Sorensen - Why? We should’ve gone for an experienced older striker
Blair - Needs loaning out to develop.
O'Mahoney - Only 19 but looks promising, however not currently Championship standard IMO

O'Mahoney and Blair just bounce off opponents and get nowhere. They need to bulk up in the gym.
Sorensen is a target man who Moose insists on playing nowhere near the goal (not that we get many accurate crosses anyway)
Silvera - just cannot cross the ball.
Murphy - looks like he wishes he hadn't left Oxford. A huge disappointment for me.
Ritchie - Moose won't play him unless it's the 81st minute. Remember, had lang not ballsed it up, his cross would've got us a draw against wednesday with seconds left.
Dozzell - thought he was rubbish but did alright without Pack last time around.
Potts - Don't get the fuss about him. Lightweight, doesn't tackle and creates next to nothing. But he's Potts and everybodys darling.
Kamara - Moose clearly didn't want him because he won't play him even when we're umbelievably shit.
Williams - has the turning circle of a cruise liner.
Farrell - Not seen enough to get a stiffy just yet.
The goalkeepers - about the same sort of level.

At the end of the day, all of them reflect the budget that we have been given. And if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Some might come good but, experience with the U21 academy-trained players shows that most of them just poo their pants when the going gets  tough.
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30-10-2024, 04:37 PM
If they were hits they would be playing every week. They're not. They're barely making squads. I trust Mousinho's judgement on that. He's saying flop with those choices and I'm agreeing.

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31-10-2024, 10:49 PM
(30-10-2024, 04:37 PM)slayer Wrote: If they were hits they would be playing every week. They're not. They're barely making squads. I trust Mousinho's judgement on that. He's saying flop with those choices and I'm agreeing.

In my opinion it was one of our worst ever transfer windows , we needed championship players and a couple of youngsters  but we signed a load of kids and a couple of championship players
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01-11-2024, 07:42 AM
The eisner's always said they didn't want us to be a yo-yo club but have given the green light to a strategy that will more than likely get you relegated.The first season back in the championship should of been to sign championship quality players and build on that with potential in 2/3 seasons time.
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01-11-2024, 09:37 AM
It will be interesting to see how much everyone's thoughts/appraisals change after 23 matches (half the season). I'll revisit this then & do a comparison.

I'm hoping some of them surprise me & start performing but I'm not that confident they will.

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01-11-2024, 09:47 AM
I've said this before but I don't think the owners are interested in getting to the Premier League. I can't imagine the thought process that gives the situation of taking 7 years to get out of league one, only to give a diabolical budget which ensures a swift return to league one after one season in the Championship...the league we've been attempting to reach as progression to the Premier League.

I'm not saying I'm dying to play in the top league, but they said Premier League in 10 years when they bought the club. They simply don't want to spend the kind of money it takes to be a top 10 side in the Championship.

From what I've seen this season I would be playing Ritchie in every game if he's fit, he's the only one who can cross the ball. Send Silvera back in Jan, get rid of Yengi and McKintyre and buy a striker, attacking midfielder and centre half.

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01-11-2024, 09:55 AM
In January we'll see if they are interested in getting into League 1.

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01-11-2024, 10:01 AM
Yeah, but who's available in a Jan window? Players unwanted by their club I imagine so not sure they'll be an upgrade on what we have (not hard I know!).

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01-11-2024, 03:49 PM
(01-11-2024, 09:47 AM)Jizbag Wrote: I've said this before but I don't think the owners are interested in getting to the Premier League. I can't imagine the thought process that gives the situation of taking 7 years to get out of league one, only to give a diabolical budget which ensures a swift return to league one after one season in the Championship...the league we've been attempting to reach as progression to the Premier League.

I'm not saying I'm dying to play in the top league, but they said Premier League in 10 years when they bought the club. They simply don't want to spend the kind of money it takes to be a top 10 side in the Championship.

From what I've seen this season I would be playing Ritchie in every game if he's fit, he's the only one who can cross the ball. Send Silvera back in Jan, get rid of Yengi and McKintyre and buy a striker, attacking midfielder and centre half.

I’m not bothered about the Premier league either, I’d rather be a successful Championship club.

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01-11-2024, 04:11 PM
(30-10-2024, 04:04 PM)Lawrence Wrote:
(30-10-2024, 03:33 PM)bluetagagain Wrote: My tuppence worth.

Schmid - Not seen enough for a fair assessment but seems OK.
Archer- Ditto- 3rd choice but has done well so far.

Williams - Not an upgrade on Rafferty IMO and not a CB.
Farrell - Looks promising when not injured .
Bowat - I’ll reserve judgement until next season .

Kamara- Seems like he’s got loads of potential but hardly seen, why?
Potts - Not a patch on Robertson but hopefully will improve.
Swann - not ready for the first team ( or even Waterlooville atm)
Dozzell - Apparently has lots of championship experience, pity we haven’t seen it.
Ritchie - Why???
Murphy - So far, inconsistent, needs to learn to back track and be more aggressive, not an upgrade on Kamara- yet.

Silvera - utterly pointless and on the verge of useless loan, send back asap.
Sorensen - Why? We should’ve gone for an experienced older striker
Blair - Needs loaning out to develop.
O'Mahoney - Only 19 but looks promising, however not currently Championship standard IMO

O'Mahoney and Blair just bounce off opponents and get nowhere. They need to bulk up in the gym.
Sorensen is a target man who Moose insists on playing nowhere near the goal (not that we get many accurate crosses anyway)
Silvera - just cannot cross the ball.
Murphy - looks like he wishes he hadn't left Oxford. A huge disappointment for me.
Ritchie - Moose won't play him unless it's the 81st minute. Remember, had lang not ballsed it up, his cross would've got us a draw against wednesday with seconds left.
Dozzell - thought he was rubbish but did alright without Pack last time around.
Potts - Don't get the fuss about him. Lightweight, doesn't tackle and creates next to nothing. But he's Potts and everybodys darling.
Kamara - Moose clearly didn't want him because he won't play him even when we're umbelievably shit.
Williams - has the turning circle of a cruise liner.
Farrell - Not seen enough to get a stiffy just yet.
The goalkeepers - about the same sort of level.

At the end of the day, all of them reflect the budget that we have been given. And if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Some might come good but, experience with the U21 academy-trained players shows that most of them just poo their pants when the going gets  tough.

We have no idea on the budget we've been given. But its been quoted by a few in managements that its doubled since last season. Yet the team quality has actually declined. 
The owners were happy to match Cardiffs big bid for Robertson so aiming for them doesn't seem fair. 
The old football cliché is you should come out of a transfer window stronger than when you went in. 
Yet despite doubling our budget and the fact we are in a much tougher league, we have failed on that.

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01-11-2024, 04:14 PM
We went into the transfer with about 14 players and came out of it with a full squad of 27.  I'd say that's stronger.

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01-11-2024, 04:38 PM
A triumph, if we disregard who decided to reduce it to 14 first.
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01-11-2024, 05:11 PM
(01-11-2024, 04:38 PM)slayer Wrote: A triumph, if we disregard who decided to reduce it to 14 first.

contracts expiring , not our players any more.

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01-11-2024, 06:11 PM
(01-11-2024, 04:14 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: We went into the transfer with about 14 players and came out of it with a full squad of 27.  I'd say that's stronger.

We actually went in to the transfer window with 21 players on the books. 

The 14 that made the 25 man squad plus :-
Steward
Stevenson
Lowery
Sparkes
Whyte
Scully 
Bishop

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01-11-2024, 06:47 PM
(01-11-2024, 06:11 PM)exterminator Wrote:
(01-11-2024, 04:14 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: We went into the transfer with about 14 players and came out of it with a full squad of 27.  I'd say that's stronger.

We actually went in to the transfer window with 21 players on the books. 

The 14 that made the 25 man squad plus :-
Steward
Stevenson
Lowery
Sparkes
Whyte
Scully 
Bishop

We've still got Steward, Stevenson, Lowery & Bishop so is the argument that we should not have got rid of Sparkes, Whyte and Scully and not signed, for instance, Farrell, Richie & Murphy who are probably the nearest like for like in those positions ?

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