[muschi]

Covering some dangerous ground.

Today on the news players were calling for all SM posters to provide name address and proof of ID before opening an account.
So is going to safeguard all that info?

We also move into the murky waters of just what defines racism in this context?

They never tell us just what was written, just that, in their judgement, it was racism.

I've seen players in tears at FP after receiving the traditional scumming (remember Gilks getting a horrendous scumming and being subbed in tears?) That was acceptable.

Summat wrong here...

[DeepBlue]

Covering some dangerous ground.

Today on the news players were calling for all SM posters to provide name address and proof of ID before opening an account.
So is going to safeguard all that info?

We also move into the murky waters of just what defines racism in this context?

They never tell us just what was written, just that, in their judgement, it was racism.

I've seen players in tears at FP after receiving the traditional scumming (remember Gilks getting a horrendous scumming and being subbed in tears?) That was acceptable.

Summat wrong here...

If you are comparing scumming to racism then you are proving that you really do not understand what racism is. Do you honestly think that giving someone abuse just because they play for your hated rivals is the same as giving abuse to someone just because of the colour of their skin ?  

The reality is that all SM posters are traceable if someone puts the effort in to do the forensic search, providing names would just make it easier. But it would also definitely reduce the attacks because people would think twice about putting their name to what they are saying.

[exgaffer]

Covering some dangerous ground.

Today on the news players were calling for all SM posters to provide name address and proof of ID before opening an account.
So is going to safeguard all that info?

We also move into the murky waters of just what defines racism in this context?

They never tell us just what was written, just that, in their judgement, it was racism.

I've seen players in tears at FP after receiving the traditional scumming (remember Gilks getting a horrendous scumming and being subbed in tears?) That was acceptable.

Summat wrong here...

If you are comparing scumming to racism then you are proving that you really do not understand what racism is. Do you honestly think that giving someone abuse just because they play for your hated rivals is the same as giving abuse to someone just because of the colour of their skin ?  

The reality is that all SM posters are traceable if someone puts the effort in to do the forensic search, providing names would just make it easier. But it would also definitely reduce the attacks because people would think twice about putting their name to what they are saying.

This social media boycott is ridiculous.

If the posts actually are racist, as opposed to just barbed comments, they should be reported and the posters held to account, simple.

If they are not racist, then they should be ignored or responded to or whatever.

If people are too thin skinned to take criticism, maybe they shouldn’t go on social media sites anyway.

Whatever happens,  boycotts won’t stop the criticism.

[DeepBlue]

It's not citicism they are objecting to. 

It's racist criticism that they are trying to raise awareness about and if people like you are debating it on message boards then they have achieved their objective.

[BilltheCat]

"This social media boycott is ridiculous".

Who told you this, exgaffer? Why do you equate criticism with racism?

Can you really not see the difference between:

a) He simply cannot defend if his life depended upon it.

and

b) That black cvnt is fvcking useless!

Posters cannot be held to account if the media platform allows them to post anonymously....hence the boycott.

Complete proof of identity makes prosecution easier and will reduce on-line bigotry.

Then, maybe, players will stop taking the knee....though the Jizbags of this world will still continue to post homophobic insults.

[Smirnoffexpress]

Most of the vile bastards targeting black players for racial abuse are not only wrong, but also because they do it anonymously, are gutless scum. They would not do it, if they could (quite rightly) be prosecuted, as they know they would. Need a system where only verified, registered users can access these platforms. We have the will to prosecute, we have the laws to do so. All that is lacking is the ability to identify the offenders.

PS. I bend my knee to no one!

[BilltheCat]

PS. I bend my knee to no one!

It's all about you, isn't it?

[Smirnoffexpress]

It’s about me not following a herd of wilting wilfs. I bet you’ve done all the tendons in both legs with all the knee bending you’ve done.

[Trarchus]

I fully understand why but not comfortable with the proposals put forward to deal with it. 
A better plan needs to be found, what I don't know.   Perhaps better monitoring of these platforms along with a more effective system to report it and maybe the ISPs can get involved without revealing personal details of those not involved.  

The majority of the people in the UK aren't in anyway taking part in on-line abuse and racism. 
I really detest going into a shop and being asked my personal details from someone I don't know it's and infringement on my right to keep some things private.  That's how I see this, have no problem giving my name but that's it for me.

[muschi]

The real point here is the amount of police tim e that will be spent trying to deal with relatively trivial offenses.

If threats of violence are made, yes stamp it out but silly words? At a time when confidence in our police forces is at an all time low can it be right they will now have an excuse to do less real police work while spending time on computers finding some spotty teenager has used a naughty word trying to impress his mates?

priorities are very wrong here and real criminals will continue to get away with assaults and abuse by yobs while the real effect of this latest virtue signaling exercise will be minimal at best.

[exgaffer]

It's not citicism they are objecting to. 

It's racist criticism that they are trying to raise awareness about and if people like you are debating it on message boards then they have achieved their objective.

‘Trying to raise awareness of it’ ffs, are you for real?

We get it rammed down our throats morning, noon and fecking night, why would ‘awareness’ need to raised any further?

What do you mean by ‘people like you’ by the way? 

In any case, far too much importance is placed on ‘on line’ offences, ‘On line’ is not reality is it? ‘On line’ is a virtual world where spotty herberts sit in their mum’s back bedroom, in the dark, hurling abuse at people they’d run a mile from if they met them in person. Words are not ‘actual’ violence, despite the preachings of the deranged left.

Trouble is, it’s much easier to sit in a nice warm office with a coffee and a sandwich monitoring on line offences, than to go outside in the cold dealing with real crime.

If there is a real threat involved it should be taken seriously, if not people should just learn to ignore insults and get on with their lives.

Virtue signalling boycotts by pampered sports people will achieve absolutely nothing.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

The real point here is the amount of police tim e that will be spent trying to deal with relatively trivial offenses.

If threats of violence are made, yes stamp it out but silly words? At a time when confidence in our police forces is at an all time low can it be right they will now have an excuse to do less real police work while spending time on computers finding some spotty teenager has used a naughty word trying to impress his mates?

priorities are very wrong here and real criminals will continue to get away with assaults and abuse by yobs while the real effect of this latest virtue signaling exercise will be minimal at best.

Who was that snowflake that believed (falsely) he was maligned online and threatened legal action   For the life of me, I can't remember who that was? maybe Mooosh could remind us.



...oh, and by the way if you think living in a fair and equal society is a good thing, 'virtue signalling' is not a term of abuse.

[Smirnoffexpress]

If you want a fair and equal society, want it for everyone,because the inequalities within British society are not solely based on skin colour. Also stop portraying all black people as victims, it does a huge disservice to the huge amount of strong, indepent and successful black Britons that are doing well, fighting the same battles we all face in establishing a career and raising families.

[DeepBlue]

Gaffer  "‘On line’ is not reality is it?"

And that is where you are so very very wrong, and so very out of date.

This is 2021, online is a key part of every aspect of real life.  Try telling parents of children who have committed suicide because of online abuse that it is not real. Try telling women who have had private pictures spread across the internet that is is not real. Try telling people who have had their identity stolen that it is not real. And try telling black people who are abused that there is no problem with racism in this country because online does not matter. 

This protest is get the companies who run the platforms being used for abuse to stop pretending there is nothing they can do about it. 

[Tufnell_Chimes]

If you want a fair and equal society, want it for everyone,

What is a fair and equal society if it isn’t for everyone?

[muschi]

Who was that snowflake that believed (falsely) he was maligned online and threatened legal action   For the life of me, I can't remember who that was? maybe Mooosh could remind us.


Tell us who this person was, how unlike duffers to be twisting the truth beyond reason.

I have never threatened anyone with legal action and you are so stupid that you don't even know what a snowflake is.

[exgaffer]

Gaffer  "‘On line’ is not reality is it?"

And that is where you are so very very wrong, and so very out of date.

This is 2021, online is a key part of every aspect of real life.  Try telling parents of children who have committed suicide because of online abuse that it is not real. Try telling women who have had private pictures spread across the internet that is is not real. Try telling people who have had their identity stolen that it is not real. And try telling black people who are abused that there is no problem with racism in this country because online does not matter. 

This protest is get the companies who run the platforms being used for abuse to stop pretending there is nothing they can do about it. 

It’s NOT real Deep and the fact that you think it is speaks volumes. I am obviously referring to the virtual world of trolling and online abuse, not stuff like online banking 

As for kids committing suicide because of online abuse, it’s up to adults to remind them that it’s not real ffs. 

The net is a tool, nothing more. It’s great for booking things, buying things, getting info, banking etc. etc. but online abuse can only hurt you if you let it. It’s not like someone smacking you in the mouth or using an actual weapon. Online fraud is no different to any other kind of fraud, it exists and we have to be vigilant, end of.

Black people are not different Deep, they are the same as everyone else and they are quite capable of looking after themselves just like everybody else. Stop being so fecking patronising ffs.

As for the companies doing something about it, they should have no business snooping into conversations, they are platforms and should remain so. They already seem quite active in censoring political views they don’t like, we can do without more online meddling from them. You seem like a fan of Big Brother ffs, most of us don’t need our fecking hands held thank you very much.

Anyway, enough if the virtual world, I’m just popping out for a long walk with a mate followed by a few beers. I much prefer the real world, call me old fashioned if you like.   .

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Gaff, when you say it isn't real and its nothing more than a tool, that's your age talking. If you're sub-25 the internet is a parallel bloodstream, its everything.

...and Moooosh, for someone who casually throws out (the most childish) abuse whilst simultaneously feeling their unique sensitivity has been so easily bruised by the lightest jibe that they claim to have run to the mods, I thought it was perfectly appropriate.

[dsmg]

Gaffer, as others have said, online bullying is a real problem for kids and I’m amazed you can’t see that

[muschi]

Gaff, when you say it isn't real and its nothing more than a tool, that's your age talking. If you're sub-25 the internet is a parallel bloodstream, its everything.

...and Moooosh, for someone who casually throws out (the most childish) abuse whilst simultaneously feeling their unique sensitivity has been so easily bruised by the lightest jibe that they claim to have run to the mods, I thought it was perfectly appropriate.

Now the liar is changing another of his story's.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Mooosh: 12-04-2021, 11:53 PM
“The mods would have pulled it because if it was possible that I might have taken action against them as hosts to the accusations.”

You're not very good at this Mooosh. I'm no DS Arnott but this too easy.

[Smirnoffexpress]

Tuffers, we all appear to want just about the same thing. We just seem to differ on how we think that can be achieved. I make no apologies for restating it. We are not America. Their racial issues are not the same as ours. They have their issues we have ours. Different problems need different approach’s to solving those problems. It is up to them to sort their problem out and it is up to us to sort out ours. In my opinion we are further down the road to correcting matters than they are. Maybe theirs is more entrenched, due to history. Because of their history, particularly on slavery, they might have the whole debate tainted and driven by bitterness, anger and the need for revenge. Looking from the outside in, it certainly appears to be so.

Britain has made huge steps forward over the last forty years in eradicating racism. Those improvements have at times been hard work and there have been severe setbacks along the way. The BLM movement in this country has not accelerated our arrival at a solution. It has been devisive. Many of our so called “race” issues are more class based than “race” based. You solve those by removing all obstacles that affect those in the bottom social group. Do that, aiming for true meritocracy, and you remove many of the things that are seen as “race” issues. Identity politics do not work and will not get us where we want to be.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Smirns, I haven't mentioned anything about race. I just said 'fair and equal' applying it to everyone, whatever their background - I actually think we're still as class-ist as we've ever been. I think historically some racist statements have been used as a cover for attacking the working classes, shielding the contempt they have for everyone beneath them and protecting the white working class tory-supporting vote.

[muschi]

Mooosh: 12-04-2021, 11:53 PM
“The mods would have pulled it because if it was possible that I might have taken action against them as hosts to the accusations.”

You're not very good at this Mooosh. I'm no DS Arnott but this too easy.

More inspector Clouseau. 

Now where exactly did i threaten to take legal action?

Idiot. (hope you wasted lots of time searching for evidence and still getting it wrong)

[Lt Dan]

Mooosh: 12-04-2021, 11:53 PM
“The mods would have pulled it because if it was possible that I might have taken action against them as hosts to the accusations.”

You're not very good at this Mooosh. I'm no DS Arnott but this too easy.

Hmmm... how about posting the full quote: "The mods would have pulled it because if it was possible that I might have taken action against them as hosts to the accusations.

Something I would never do but they can't be blamed for a bit of CYA."

Lol, he beat me to it.

I haven't watched Line of Duty, but does DS Arnott alter evidence to suit his own needs?