[muschi]

Has it been officially announced they will be started? Maybe I've missed it?

Reason I ask is a text from my surgery says they will be  be available from September.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Bet you can cut open an envelope with them elbows.

[exgaffer]

Has it been officially announced they will be started? Maybe I've missed it?

Reason I ask is a text from my surgery says they will be  be available from September.

Yes and the flu jab, us old gits will start to resemble pin cushions soon   .

[muschi]

Has it been officially announced they will be started? Maybe I've missed it?

Reason I ask is a text from my surgery says they will be  be available from September.

Yes and the flu jab, us old gits will start to resemble pin cushions soon   .

Cheers Gaff, nice to get something sensible...

[Tufnell_Chimes]

You're so right Moooosh, been a long time since Gaff has said something sensible. Nice to see it back.

[exgaffer]

You're so right Moooosh, been a long time since Gaff has said something sensible. Nice to see it back.

And there was me thinking I was the most sensible one on here  .

[Smirnoffexpress]

Compared to our resident tree huggers, you are

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Tree-hugging is the new normal Smirns, have you not been noticing. The myth that is climate change has suddenly become very tangible. A bit late, but how can you say no to the donors.

[exgaffer]

Tree-hugging is the new normal Smirns, have you not been noticing. The myth that is climate change has suddenly become very tangible. A bit late, but how can you say no to the donors.

Simplifying things again Tuffers.

Nobody said climate change was a myth, merely questioned whether it was driven by the activities of man, or would be so serious as to end things as suggested by Greta and co.

Climate change occurs, always has, always will. We will definitely go into a sun driven ice age at some point, then all this ‘emergency’ bollox will appear like a momentary attack of the vapours   .

Neither you or I will be around to see it of course.

In the meantime, if we get a Mediterranean climate, bring it on I say   .

[muschi]

Look out for Mondays announcement on the subject Gaffs.

Mother nature is angry.

[muschi]

Come on Gaffs lets be avin ya.

Or still in denial?

[exgaffer]

Come on Gaffs lets be avin ya.

Or still in denial?

If you mean the UN ‘prediction’ Muschi, it is based on modelling, much like the models used by the infamous Ferguson on Covid.

Climate prediction is a fecking sight more complicated though and they have been right even less often than Ferguson (actually that’s not possible, he’s never been right   ).

One and a half degrees in 20 years, give me a break.

Long term climate is driven by the sun, not CO2, not Methane, the sun.

So let’s just say that I’m sceptical   .

[BilltheCat]

Your understanding does not explain greenhouse gases and the greenhouse effect though, exgaffer.

[muschi]

I'm with billy on this one - NURSEEEEEEEEEEE

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Gaff still thinks tobacco soothes your breathing.

[exgaffer]

Your understanding does not explain greenhouse gases and the greenhouse effect though, exgaffer.

Greenhouse gases have been FAR higher in past times BTC, when humanity wasn’t even on the planet.

I thought you and your climate scientist mates Muschi and Tuffers would have known that   .

Even the people who come up with these doomsday scenarios admit that their models ‘run hot’, too fecking right they do.

We will eventually have another ice age, that should cool things down nicely   .

I won’t be around for the predicted 1.5 degree rise (which won’t happen), or the ice age, so I won’t lose sleep over it.

In the meantime, the World Economic Forum will continue to control the little people with one scare after another, justifying increasingly draconian controls and loss of personal freedoms. While they float round maskless between their luxury pads in their private jets and limousines. They are taking you all for mugs and it is SOOO easy.

Anyone with any sense will tell them to feck right off.

[Tufnell_Chimes]

“Greenhouse gases have been FAR higher in past times BTC, when humanity wasn’t even on the planet”

Guff, I don’t think anyone’s suggesting the planet won’t survive, its just that we won’t.

[exgaffer]

“Greenhouse gases have been FAR higher in past times BTC, when humanity wasn’t even on the planet”

Guff, I don’t think anyone’s suggesting the planet won’t survive, its just that we won’t.

Well the dinosaurs survived it, even thrived on it Tuffers, just not the asteroid   .

[BilltheCat]

So you know better than 250 scientific experts on climate change?

[muschi]

I'm with billy on this one - NURSEEEEEEEEEEE

[exgaffer]

So you know better than 250 scientific experts on climate change?

You mean the same ‘experts’ who have been telling us since the 1980’s that we ‘have 10 years to save the planet’ BTC   ?

There are plenty of climate scientists who don’t agree with the ‘we’re all doomed’ scenario, but their views are effectively censored by Silicon Valley and the mainstream media.

Funny how so much of the ‘misinformation’ turns out to be true   .

Even if the 250 (very precise number by the way) ‘experts’ turn out to be right, the piffling 1% of global emissions we put out makes feck all difference.

[muschi]

Come off it Gaff, how do you explain the fires destroying huge areas of North America, Greece, Turkey and others, the floods destroying whole cities across Europe, Asia, Even london had unbelievable flash floods.

Islands in the South Pacific are under water leaving thousands homeless do you really believe these things are all just coincidence?

[Tufnell_Chimes]

Thing is Mooosh, if Guff has swallowed all the climate-denial guff from the TuftonSt-types representing BigOil, BigChem, etc. it naturally follows that he was equally gullible about the benefits of Brexit - after all, its basically the same people behind it. But then, what does that say about you? You’ve also fallen for this messaging.

These promotors for dark money: the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Taxpayers Alliance, the Global Warming Policy Studies, Leave Means Leave and even Brexit Central (yup, it actually exists) are just pushing at an open door of a lazy, why-can’t-we-have-it-all mindset. The feeling of exceptionalism was always present, they’re just feeding it.

[exgaffer]

Thing is Mooosh, if Guff has swallowed all the climate-denial guff from the TuftonSt-types representing BigOil, BigChem, etc. it naturally follows that he was equally gullible about the benefits of Brexit - after all, its basically the same people behind it. But then, what does that say about you? You’ve also fallen for this messaging.

These promotors for dark money: the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Taxpayers Alliance, the Global Warming Policy Studies, Leave Means Leave and even Brexit Central (yup, it actually exists) are just pushing at an open door of a lazy, why-can’t-we-have-it-all mindset. The feelings of exceptionalism were always there, they’re just feeding it.

I’ve swallowed all the guff, yet Tuffers reels off the list of organisations hated by the obsessed left. I just knew he’d get leaving the EU on there somewhere.

Having studied meteorology at college, I’ve probably read more about weather and the climate than BTC, Tuffers and Muschi put together. I base my view on looking at all the evidence and not sound bites from the China (29% of world emissions by the way) influenced IPCC and the left leaning social and mainstream media companies.

Tuffers, BTC and other climate zealots are willing pawns in the game being played by the billionaires of the Workd Economic Forum. None of whom will be changing their lifestyles to ‘save the planet’.

The term ‘useful idiots’ was never more appropriate   .

[muschi]

I didn't bother reding duffers drivel - we all know he couldn't resist a brexit whine.

However Gaff you haven't answered any of the points raised by me.

So please some real debate and none of your silly "get on the train further down the line rubbish".