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When was it our fans (or at least the online versions) became so angry and entitled about our right to be in the next league up (whichever that might be at the time)

Probably since smaller clubs like Luton, Wigan, Barnsley, Wycombe and Burton amongst others made it up and we just keep playing like shit with shit players despite getting double or triple the attendances of the aforementioned clubs. On that measure Bradford must be apoplectic at their current league standing

Wigan are currently showing they cannot actually afford it
Luton have been amazing since they were treated like us but worse by the EFL, funny club they've long been above their level in a really bad ground.

A funny yet far more successful club than us on current league position

(22-04-2023, 01:24 PM)West Australian Portsmouth Fan Wrote: [ -> ]A funny yet far more successful club than us on current league position

yes indeed
but then there have always been more successful clubs than us except for two seasons
and for much of my lifetime many far better run clubs too

I'd be happy to see our youth system be run consistently for long enough to feed players in regularly, especially while we are at this level league wise.

On the basis of support Pompey slot into the Championship. There is no absolute right, but, with reasonable management, that is where they should mostly be.

It's a death trap getting in and out of Luton's away end.

It's hard to pinpoint exactly, but i think it was sometime after year 3 of league 1, our 8th year outside of the championship. I know, it's a really short fuze 8 years but that's just me.

It's fine waving goodbye to the likes of Luton with their 10k stadium or Coventry without a stadium to their name. That doesnt hurt at all. Its fine selling our best player every year for 10 years + in a row. And seeing our squad get worse year after year after year.

Id make the (solid) argument that our squad has got worse every year since we won L2. And our managers have been worse and worse and worse too. If anything, our decline is accelerating.

It is really odd to understand how some people are ok with things as they are. It's a fuxking shitshow.

People are fed up with the lack of progress.

We are a pretty decent size club with a decent size stadium and wealthy owners.

We should be doing a lot better - teams with less than the above have gone up countless times whilst we've, at best, stood still.

We should demand more from the club - they get everything out of us - loyalty and our hard earned money, time and time again.

we have probably gone up and down leagues more than anyone except possibly Wolves

Luton have done the rounds

(23-04-2023, 08:16 PM)dsmg Wrote: [ -> ]Luton have done the rounds

Very true, from the outside looking in, probably the club treated the worst by the EFL as regards repeated point deductions. That could so easily have been us. 

While Pompey were at our worst, I took a minibus of kids to Eastleigh to watch England schoolboys play (after Southampton let them down venue wise at the last minute.) 

Sitting in a very decent but most definitely non league ground, it really bought it home that Pompey could be playing there next season.

Our final finishing position will almost certainly hinge on the last game of the season against mighty Wycombe Wanderers.
A pretty meaningless game but it's at Fratton so, yet again, there'll be around 18,000 there.
We will finish 8th or 9th.
Don't really understand why the majority of Pompey fans are up in arms with yet another failure to escape this league.
Why? Well it's easy. If your playing budget is at a similar level what more can you expect?
By the way if you do a little bit of research on the internet you can get a fairly accurate estimate of our playing budget. Similarly you'll also discover that are owners' wealth is in the region of £1 billion.
What can the fans do to address the problem? Regrettably, in my view, absolutely nothing because we all know that come the first home game of the new season in August we'll have about 13,000 season ticket holders and the gate, whoever we're playing, will be in excess of 18,000.
Don't worry though, financial stability and careful progress off the pitch in a sustainable fashion means that we should be more than happy to be contesting with the likes of MK Dons, Cambridge, Fleetwood, Port Vale and Co. Where's the problem?
All very sad.

A decent manager would have got them up, with the players available. The outright refusal to play Pigott and playing Scarlett instead, was at the heart of it. The tippy-tappy playing out from the back, rather than looking for early attacking opportunities was also in there.

(24-04-2023, 02:23 PM)blueandwight Wrote: [ -> ]Our final finishing position will almost certainly hinge on the last game of the season against mighty Wycombe Wanderers.
A pretty meaningless game but it's at Fratton so, yet again, there'll be around 18,000 there.
We will finish 8th or 9th.
Don't really understand why the majority of Pompey fans are up in arms with yet another failure to escape this league.
Why? Well it's easy. If your playing budget is at a similar level what more can you expect?
By the way if you do a little bit of research on the internet you can get a fairly accurate estimate of our playing budget. Similarly you'll also discover that are owners' wealth is in the region of £1 billion.
What can the fans do to address the problem? Regrettably, in my view, absolutely nothing because we all know that come the first home game of the new season in August we'll have about 13,000 season ticket holders and the gate, whoever we're playing, will be in excess of 18,000.
Don't worry though, financial stability and careful progress off the pitch in a sustainable fashion means that we should be more than happy to be contesting with the likes of MK Dons, Cambridge, Fleetwood, Port Vale and Co. Where's the problem?
All very sad.

You do not need to 'do research on the internet' to get a good idea of our playing budget. The club is very open about the numbers ... we have a competitive budget, about 6th in the league at the club's estimate. 

And what has the owner's wealth got to do with it ?  They could have 100bn or 1bn, but they have stated very clearly that they would not fund unsustainable levels of playing budgets, and that their spending would be on the infrastructure to support that ongoing sustainability. That was their manifesto, that was what people voted for. That is what they have done. 

They have increased the playing budget year on year but not to silly levels like Sheff Wed & Ipswich (only one of whom look likely to go up). We have under-achieved this season but that is because certain players have under-performed, certain coaches have under-performed, and a dreadful run of very unusual injuries. Not because of how much the owners are prepared to spend on the playing budget. We could have spent big and signed another Marquis and still failed. 

Mousinho's points per game record is pretty good given that the players are not his choices, there is every reason to beleive that with another measured increased in the budget and good player selection in the summer we can have a very good season next year.  We have no god given right to be better than the likes of MK Dons, Fleetwood etc, you have to earn that right by working hard, spending wisely, good tactics etc. Not by just chucking money at it.

Chucking money at it nearly cost us our club ; like many I want out of this division, that will only come by recruiting better players
if you recall the last time we were in div 3 we had Biley, Webb & Dillion, & look what happened!

Our owners failed on several attempts to understand how important the January transfer window is. They failed to support the recruitment team when we had a realistic chance of getting promoted.

Interesting to see Luton, Coventry, and Sunderland taking up 3 of the 4 playoff slots. Just shows what could have been. About 3 quarters of the championship have rubbed shoulders with us in L1. Its not bad luck we are where we are, given how many attempts we have had as we wave goodbye to teams on their way up that did it with smaller gates and fewer resources.

Others are coming back down and in a lot of trouble in Wigan's case.

Just wondering. If as you say, Luton, Coventry and Sunderland are in the top places. Does that imply that the spending habits of the pre-existing Championship clubs are coming home to roost allowing well run clubs in in their place (except of course Sunderland's previous owner writing off huge huge amounts of debt when they sold up.

(24-04-2023, 04:47 PM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]Our owners failed on several attempts to understand how important the January transfer window is. They failed to support the recruitment team when we had a realistic chance of getting promoted.

Interesting to see Luton, Coventry, and Sunderland taking up 3 of the 4 playoff slots. Just shows what could have been. About 3 quarters of the championship have rubbed shoulders with us in L1. Its not bad luck we are where we are, given how many attempts we have had as we wave goodbye to teams on their way up that did it with smaller gates and fewer resources.

Especially Luton. Third in the championship after last night's result. Luton FFS.

Sunderland , one season back in the championship and in the playoff positions

(25-04-2023, 09:39 AM)bluetagagain Wrote: [ -> ]Sunderland , one season back in the championship and in the playoff positions

That was always likely to happen. Their previous owners wrote off many many millions of debt. Then they got relegated. But once they got going with their really fantastic ground ready to go, they were top candidates for a double promotion.
Luton and Coventry are both far more surprising to be fair.

(24-04-2023, 03:03 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(24-04-2023, 02:23 PM)blueandwight Wrote: [ -> ]Our final finishing position will almost certainly hinge on the last game of the season against mighty Wycombe Wanderers.
A pretty meaningless game but it's at Fratton so, yet again, there'll be around 18,000 there.
We will finish 8th or 9th.
Don't really understand why the majority of Pompey fans are up in arms with yet another failure to escape this league.
Why? Well it's easy. If your playing budget is at a similar level what more can you expect?
By the way if you do a little bit of research on the internet you can get a fairly accurate estimate of our playing budget. Similarly you'll also discover that are owners' wealth is in the region of £1 billion.
What can the fans do to address the problem? Regrettably, in my view, absolutely nothing because we all know that come the first home game of the new season in August we'll have about 13,000 season ticket holders and the gate, whoever we're playing, will be in excess of 18,000.
Don't worry though, financial stability and careful progress off the pitch in a sustainable fashion means that we should be more than happy to be contesting with the likes of MK Dons, Cambridge, Fleetwood, Port Vale and Co. Where's the problem?
All very sad.

You do not need to 'do research on the internet' to get a good idea of our playing budget. The club is very open about the numbers ... we have a competitive budget, about 6th in the league at the club's estimate. 

And what has the owner's wealth got to do with it ?  They could have 100bn or 1bn, but they have stated very clearly that they would not fund unsustainable levels of playing budgets, and that their spending would be on the infrastructure to support that ongoing sustainability. That was their manifesto, that was what people voted for. That is what they have done. 

They have increased the playing budget year on year but not to silly levels like Sheff Wed & Ipswich (only one of whom look likely to go up). We have under-achieved this season but that is because certain players have under-performed, certain coaches have under-performed, and a dreadful run of very unusual injuries. Not because of how much the owners are prepared to spend on the playing budget. We could have spent big and signed another Marquis and still failed. 

Mousinho's points per game record is pretty good given that the players are not his choices, there is every reason to beleive that with another measured increased in the budget and good player selection in the summer we can have a very good season next year.  We have no god given right to be better than the likes of MK Dons, Fleetwood etc, you have to earn that right by working hard, spending wisely, good tactics etc. Not by just chucking money at it.

Mousinho's record is staggeringly similar to the Cowley's.

That’s probably to do with playing DC’s players.

The numbers I have seen place us has having the 8th largest playing budget.

So if we finish lower than 8th, I would say we have underachieved this season.