Would you consider selling Bishop and Morrell a lack of ambition if we were able to bring in 3.5-4 million for both?
We then put 100% of that back into the squad?
That’s then probably 5/6 top league one players (with a years experience probably good enough to play championship) which would push the whole squad on to being a top 2 contending side.
Or would you rather keep them 2 and have a smaller budget to work with?
If they want to go it’s best they do and I wouldn’t blame them if they go on to the champ and it’s used to build a team.
Bishop going is inevitable.
Yes, I would definitely consider it a lack of ambition. You generally end up worse off when you sell your best player. It would be nice to start a preseason owning a striker this year. We dont ask for much.
Ambition is keeping hold of your best players and adding to the squad. We have enough positions we need to fill without having to replace the rare players in the squad who do make the grade.
We don't have enough competition for those places in the squad. Selling either would be idiotic, if you genuinely wanted promotion.
(06-05-2023, 07:15 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I would definitely consider it a lack of ambition. You generally end up worse off when you sell your best player. It would be nice to start a preseason owning a striker this year. We dont ask for much.
Ambition is keeping hold of your best players and adding to the squad. We have enough positions we need to fill without having to replace the rare players in the squad who do make the grade.
We don't have enough competition for those places in the squad. Selling either would be idiotic, if you genuinely wanted promotion.
You could easily build a promotion winning squad out of league one with 4 million though.
Bishop didn’t pull up any tress before we signed him
4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
(06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
4 million wouldn’t be the budget. That would be what we could spend on players on top of the allocated budget.
The Brentford model depends on selling your best players at a huge profit, time after time. It's success depends on a good recruitment policy, and the ability to judge when your biggest assets are at their maximum value.
(06-05-2023, 10:38 AM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ]The Brentford model depends on selling your best players at a huge profit, time after time. It's success depends on a good recruitment policy, and the ability to judge when your biggest assets are at their maximum value.
It would be an interesting exercise to understand what proportion of their revenue Brentford spends on scouting, academy, U23's U21's and recruitment. My hunch is that they have bulked up this side of the business to support the strategy.
Everything we do in this respect is anaemic. We haven't got sufficient resources and foundations in place to successfully implement the eat what you kill strategy. We're hunting bison with toothpicks.
(06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
(06-05-2023, 11:02 AM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
He’s not the one doing the main bit of recruitment.
All I’m saying is you could get 5/6 top league one players from the sale of morrell and bishop! Which would make the squad stronger than it is keeping those 2
Also Brentfords recruitment is heavily stat based the same as Brighton’s.
Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford all punching well above their weight. Must be doing something very right. Brentford will probably sell Toney for trillions too.
We have two midget midfielders in Morrell & Lowery. If we can get Lowery fit & playing I would take him over Morrell anyday.
Bishop is a bit of a conundrum, he has knocked in a load of goals with pretty abysmal service. He however lack pace himself & we are in dire need of a couple of pacy wide men who can cross the ball & knock in 10 goals a season.
If clubs came in & we could get £5m for the both of them, that would provide 5 decent midfield/pacy wide attackers at this level.......
(06-05-2023, 11:50 AM)exterminator Wrote: [ -> ]We have two midget midfielders in Morrell & Lowery. If we can get Lowery fit & playing I would take him over Morrell anyday.
Bishop is a bit of a conundrum, he has knocked in a load of goals with pretty abysmal service. He however lack pace himself & we are in dire need of a couple of pacy wide men who can cross the ball & knock in 10 goals a season.
If clubs came in & we could get £5m for the both of them, that would provide 5 decent midfield/pacy wide attackers at this level.......
With 4 million, you could probably bring in sam nombe, Macaulay Langstaff for 1.5 mill between them. Free agents of Alfie May, Cole Stockton and Sam smith (obviously not all 3).
200k for Tommy Leigh, 300k for a centre back
Then leave 2 million for wingers.
We would be in a far strong position as a squad then keeping morrell and bishop
(06-05-2023, 11:02 AM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
Plymouth's playing budget was apparently no bigger than ours, and they look like winning the league.
It's not how much you spend, it's all about getting the best out of what you have got.
(06-05-2023, 12:47 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 11:02 AM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
Plymouth's playing budget was apparently no bigger than ours, and they look like winning the league.
It's not how much you spend, it's all about getting the best out of what you have got.
It’s not how much you spend it’s not letting Danny Cowley spend it.
(06-05-2023, 12:57 PM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 12:47 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 11:02 AM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
Plymouth's playing budget was apparently no bigger than ours, and they look like winning the league.
It's not how much you spend, it's all about getting the best out of what you have got.
It’s not how much you spend it’s not letting Danny Cowley spend it.
I don't see much wrong with Cowley's spending - the likes of Morrell, Bishop, Ogilvie , Rafferty, Lowery, Thompson & Pack were all good signings and far outweigh any duds. His failure was not getting the best out of them - I would argue our squad on paper was at least as strong as Plymouth's, although their loans were far better than ours this season.
(06-05-2023, 01:14 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 12:57 PM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 12:47 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 11:02 AM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
Plymouth's playing budget was apparently no bigger than ours, and they look like winning the league.
It's not how much you spend, it's all about getting the best out of what you have got.
It’s not how much you spend it’s not letting Danny Cowley spend it.
I don't see much wrong with Cowley's spending - the likes of Morrell, Bishop, Ogilvie , Rafferty, Lowery, Thompson & Pack were all good signings and far outweigh any duds. His failure was not getting the best out of them - I would argue our squad on paper was at least as strong as Plymouth's, although their loans were far better than ours this season.
It was the poor loans he kept getting in and playing championship wages on them.
He had some successful loans too though - Bazunu, Carter , Hirst & Romeo were all good last year. And it's difficult to criticise getting the likes of Azeez & Scarlett through the door even if they did not work out too well, as often happens with youngsters.
This year's were less impressive, though I see Griffiths has just won Young Player of the Year at West Brom.
(06-05-2023, 02:06 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ]He had some successful loans too though - Bazunu, Carter , Hirst & Romeo were all good last year. And it's difficult to criticise getting the likes of Azeez & Scarlett through the door even if they did not work out too well, as often happens with youngsters.
This year's were less impressive, though I see Griffiths has just won Young Player of the Year at West Brom.
Bazunu - total waste of wages. Blocked the development of our own player. Idiotic signing.
Carter - IMO the best loan Danny signed. Very good player.
Hirst - We waited all season for him to start scoring goals. He has 4 good weeks right at the end of the season and thinks he's ready for the champ. Waste of wages.
Romeo - Average L1 player on champ wages. Waste of money.
Every player left a hole in the squad that needed filling. You can't plan for a promotion campaign when you have all these players leaving every season.
(06-05-2023, 02:20 PM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 02:06 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ]He had some successful loans too though - Bazunu, Carter , Hirst & Romeo were all good last year. And it's difficult to criticise getting the likes of Azeez & Scarlett through the door even if they did not work out too well, as often happens with youngsters.
This year's were less impressive, though I see Griffiths has just won Young Player of the Year at West Brom.
Bazunu - total waste of wages. Blocked the development of our own player. Idiotic signing.
Carter - IMO the best loan Danny signed. Very good player.
Hirst - We waited all season for him to start scoring goals. He has 4 good weeks right at the end of the season and thinks he's ready for the champ. Waste of wages.
Romeo - Average L1 player on champ wages. Waste of money.
Every player left a hole in the squad that needed filling. You can't plan for a promotion campaign when you have all these players leaving every season.
All paying championship wages. Walker was on something like 8k a week!
This season koroma, dale and piggott we will be paying their huge wage.
Scarlet and Griffiths probably 50%
At least with Bernard and macey they were looking at next season aw we have a chance with both of them.
(06-05-2023, 10:38 AM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ]The Brentford model depends on selling your best players at a huge profit, time after time. It's success depends on a good recruitment policy, and the ability to judge when your biggest assets are at their maximum value.
It has also meant them spending good money to back their judgement. Certainly in comparison to what we spend. You have to speculate to accumulate.
Bit unfair on Hirst, Pedalo. He scored 15 goals, hardly just ‘4 good weeks’.
(06-05-2023, 01:14 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 12:57 PM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 12:47 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 11:02 AM)Pompeyg100 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 10:22 AM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ]4M isn't enough for us to build a promotion squad. We have tried to do that for quite a few seasons now and failed every time. Our manager isn't good enough to overachieve with that sized budget.
It would be added to the budget and is a lot less than most spend to get promoted.
The managers had half a season, amazing you know his full capabilities.
Plymouth's playing budget was apparently no bigger than ours, and they look like winning the league.
It's not how much you spend, it's all about getting the best out of what you have got.
It’s not how much you spend it’s not letting Danny Cowley spend it.
I don't see much wrong with Cowley's spending - the likes of Morrell, Bishop, Ogilvie , Rafferty, Lowery, Thompson & Pack were all good signings and far outweigh any duds. His failure was not getting the best out of them - I would argue our squad on paper was at least as strong as Plymouth's, although their loans were far better than ours this season.
That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest DB unfortunately. He wasted a massive portion of his budget and left us with half a team. The awful loans were the most costly.
(06-05-2023, 02:39 PM)dsmg Wrote: [ -> ]Bit unfair on Hirst, Pedalo. He scored 15 goals, hardly just ‘4 good weeks’.
8 good weeks is more accurate.
(06-05-2023, 02:20 PM)Pedalo_menders Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2023, 02:06 PM)DeepBlue Wrote: [ -> ]He had some successful loans too though - Bazunu, Carter , Hirst & Romeo were all good last year. And it's difficult to criticise getting the likes of Azeez & Scarlett through the door even if they did not work out too well, as often happens with youngsters.
This year's were less impressive, though I see Griffiths has just won Young Player of the Year at West Brom.
Bazunu - total waste of wages. Blocked the development of our own player. Idiotic signing.
Carter - IMO the best loan Danny signed. Very good player.
Hirst - We waited all season for him to start scoring goals. He has 4 good weeks right at the end of the season and thinks he's ready for the champ. Waste of wages.
Romeo - Average L1 player on champ wages. Waste of money.
Every player left a hole in the squad that needed filling. You can't plan for a promotion campaign when you have all these players leaving every season.
The persistent playing of Hirst cost us the playoffs. We went in to 20 odd games knowing we weren’t going to score.